Mario99 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Don't know if this topic was mentioned before but St. Louis is 38 years old as of this past June,Cap hit is around $5.5 Million I believe, IMO, he would look good next to Vinny, who he played on a line with for many years in addition don't think Tampa is going anywhere for at least 2 years so what would it take to bring Martin St. Louis to Philly, if anyone is interested in a line of Vinny, St. Louis, SimmondsWow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Screw that... Trade for Mantha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario99 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Detroit drafted Mantha, and they have a good record of drafting, judge me on this guy 6 years from now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 just bustin' your nards 99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Don't know if this topic was mentioned before but St. Louis is 38 years old as of this past June,Cap hit is around $5.5 Million I believe, IMO, he would look good next to Vinny, who he played on a line with for many years in addition don't think Tampa is going anywhere for at least 2 years so what would it take to bring Martin St. Louis to Philly, if anyone is interested in a line of Vinny, St. Louis, SimmondsWowHe kind of amazes me. I'm always skeptical of late bloomers. I always expect them to be a flash in the pan kind of player, but he's still producing at a high level, which most guys don't do at his age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post flyercanuck Posted August 1, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2013 @Mario99 As much as I like MSL, isn't it high time we got away from trading youth/picks away for some guy whose wheels are about to fall off? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I would just like to take this opportunity to note that I didn't start this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Don't know if this topic was mentioned before but St. Louis is 38 years old as of this past June,Cap hit is around $5.5 Million I believe, IMO, he would look good next to Vinny, who he played on a line with for many years in addition don't think Tampa is going anywhere for at least 2 years so what would it take to bring Martin St. Louis to Philly, if anyone is interested in a line of Vinny, St. Louis, SimmondsWowYeah i don't think you add him unless a lot of cap space is freed up they are over the cap now, besides i'm ok with the roster as is once Mezz is moved, the only thing left is signing Simon to a cheap contract...5 years ago i'd be ok with it...but not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 if anything from the Tampa... dare I say I would rather trrade for Carle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter puck Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Trade for St. Louis? Paul is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quint Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Don't know if this topic was mentioned before but St. Louis is 38 years old as of this past June,Cap hit is around $5.5 Million I believe, IMO, he would look good next to Vinny, who he played on a line with for many years in addition don't think Tampa is going anywhere for at least 2 years so what would it take to bring Martin St. Louis to Philly, if anyone is interested in a line of Vinny, St. Louis, SimmondsWowJust sprayed my beer all over my iPad!I guess i shouldn't have taken a swig while I was reading this.if anything from the Tampa... dare I say I would rather trrade for Carle?Damn it!!!I did it again!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 @Mario99As much as I like MSL, isn't it high time we got away from trading youth/picks away for some guy whose wheels are about to fall off?I also can't see MSL leaving Tampa nor Tampa wanting to deal him. Probably my second favorite all-time player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 if they send Hartnell to Tampa, I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 @ Quint... Yeah... This team could have never used Carle last year or this year... Keep spitting your beer on your ipad while sitting high on your pulpit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 St.Louis is the kind of guy that you add when you`re one piece away, a kind of Butch Goring type of thingy....a guy to give you that final push you need to secure the cup. So, don`t see how this applies to the Flyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 that final push you need to secure the cupnot to be all nitpicky, but such a thing doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Don't know if this topic was mentioned before but St. Louis is 38 years old as of this past June,Cap hit is around $5.5 Million I believe, IMO, he would look good next to Vinny, who he played on a line with for many years in addition don't think Tampa is going anywhere for at least 2 years so what would it take to bring Martin St. Louis to Philly, if anyone is interested in a line of Vinny, St. Louis, SimmondsWowSeriously?? WTF would Tampa trade the current Art Ross winner away for? So he's 38 but he just won a scoring title. You'd have to send them more than any of you are willing to give.This isn't much different than a "lets trade for Weber" thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 not to be all nitpicky, but such a thing doesn't exist. Well, I`d guess the 1980 Islanders would beg to differ. They traded for Goring, won the cup and he won the Conn Smythe, so every once and a while, yeah, it does work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 @jammer2I think Aziz was referring to the "secure the cup" wording, meaning there are no guarantees.Although the "don't know how this applies to the Flyers" part could also be a bone of contention. Trading youth/picks for old guys is IMO one of the reasons Philly never wins a cup. We see those players we traded away win them lots of times though. But bringing in a Kubina, Pronger, Nedved, Zhamnov, Markov, Amonte, Oates etc etc has brought us a grand total of squat. Yet, it's what we do...over and over and over.Just an FYI for those who love the idea of bringing in a 38 year old player who'd likely cost us something like Simmonds and Laughton +, just from those players we traded for mentioned above, NONE of whom are still playing hockey, we gave up Lupul, Sbisa, Seidenberg, Williams, Fraser (3 have won cups) plus 3-1sts, 3-2nds 2 - 3rds and 3-4ths (not to mention prospects...and those who don't think they're worth anything, Brandon Dubinsky and Bryan Bickel were taken with two of those 4ths) plus we're saddled with a 5 million caphit we have to comply with at the start of each season for 4 more years. Ya, we traded all that for....nothing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 @jammer2@flyercanuckRight, it was the secure the cup bit. No player trade, signing, anything else secures a cup. If your team waits on adds for the moment they can secure a cup, they'll be waiting forever.A player either helps or he doesn't. If he can help you win 16 games in the spring, then he can help you win 50 during the season.The only time I buy the "last piece of the puzzle" concept, as regards do or don't on a given player, is if it's a high risk move with short term gain. E.g., trading high picks for a rental at the deadline. Trading for a player with two years left on a deal during the off-season...he either helps or he doesn't.All that said, st Louis has a nmc, and I can't see why Tampa would want to move him. Plus, I'm not sure his production translates perfectly to another team. He has a special spot on that roster, don't think it'd be the same plopping him onto another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blocker Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 As much as I'd like to see Marty St. Louis in Philadelphia, I don't think it's a good idea.On the plus side, he would bring some goals, work ethic, character and an extra weapon for the playoffs.But, at his age, he's a short term asset. Flyers would have to give up some young talent. Which would only be another step in the wrong direction. Been there, done that too many times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I'm not saying that we should specifically trade one or two of our young guys specifically for St. Louis, but I'd like to point out how well going young worked out for us this past year. The young guys looked completely overwhelmed and outmatched. They were kind of thrown to the wolves this year. Even our "leaders" were young. Giroux, who is still a kid, was supposed to lead a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year players? Come on. You need a balance of youth and experience (which is really all my point is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I'm not saying that we should specifically trade one or two of our young guys specifically for St. Louis, but I'd like to point out how well going young worked out for us this past year. The young guys looked completely overwhelmed and outmatched. They were kind of thrown to the wolves this year. Even our "leaders" were young. Giroux, who is still a kid, was supposed to lead a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year players? Come on. You need a balance of youth and experience (which is really all my point is).I agree. That's where I think the loss of Jagr and Carle cost them - at least the six points they needed to make the playoffs.It may also be that there is a vet of the type you describe out there.I just (unfortunately) don't think it's MSL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 No trades necessary. Let the team gel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 @aziz I worded it wrong, should have said, a trade that puts you in a better postion to contend for the cup, that's what I meant anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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