I think i hate the Penguins

[ruxpin]

My dad can beat up your dad

[nossagog]

My dad can beat up your dad

Did you stick your tongue out at me when you said that?

[ruxpin]

Did you stick your tongue out at me when you said that?

Yep. Stomped my foot and pissed my diaper, too

[ihabs1993]

So if I get this right, the officials make a bad call, your captain Brian Gionta goes over and whines to the officials, and because of his whining, the Habs were given a 5 minute powerplay.   But its okay if your team does it, right? Does that not sound hypocritical?

 

I'll admit it, the officiating was bad in the game. But it was bad both ways.

 

You say there is not a doubt in your mind that the officials favor this team. Okay by your statements, with all the diving and the obvious protection of Crosby , then the Pens must lead the league in power play opportunities. BUT WAIT, they don't, heck as a matter of fact 19 other teams, including the Canadians, have drawn more penalties than the Pens.  How can that possibly be?   If they are being "protected" and "dive", shouldn't they be getting MORE oppurtunities?

 

Can I now say that Montreal must Dive and Whine more than the Pens? Or should we use that age old, "Well MY team DESERVED their power plays, yours were given to you by the refs".   See, to us Pens fans, that's what it sounds like.

Allow me to repeat the message of what I said. Penguins fans claim that every other team in the league does it more than they do. If that's true, why do the penguins end up getting the benefit of it, for the most part? What I'm saying is that other teams are starting to catch on to what the Penguins do and how to combat it. I assume you've heard the old saying "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". This is what the league is coming to, because instead of insanely talented players like Crosby and Malkin using just their skill to terrorize their opponents, they dive and talk their way to victories. Soon, everyone in the league will be doing the same thing the Penguins are, but better as there are more annoying players in this league than the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Neal, etc. 

And to the comment that my team deserved these powerplays, I even said that the call on Glass was a bad call so it appears you only read what you wanted to.

The Penguins are and will be the leagues favorite team for the immediate future and if you can't see that, I find it hard to consider you a hockey fan

Cheers

[nossagog]

 

And to the comment that my team deserved these powerplays, I even said that the call on Glass was a bad call so it appears you only read what you wanted to.

The Penguins are and will be the leagues favorite team for the immediate future and if you can't see that, I find it hard to consider you a hockey fan

Cheers

First off, I don't know of any Pens fans that say that all the other teams dive and complain any more than the Pens. Maybe you can show me a reference to that to prove your statement.  On the contrary, we think our team does it just as much as other teams, ie. they all do it.   But there are a lot of other fans, like you, who believe the the Pens are the biggest culprits, or the only culprits,  and get the benefit of the officiating because of it. Or the only reason other teams are doing it to catch up with the Pens? Really?

 

You state as a theory such as above "If that's true, why do the penguins end up getting the benefit of it, for the most part?" For what most part?  I used some actual facts,you know, statistical things, like their standings in the number of power plays that they get as opposed to other teams to try to show that the theory that they are protected, dive and whine their way to an advantage in penalties just does not hold water as they are in the bottom of the league in drawing penalties. But let us ignore that, as we do not want facts to interfere with a good discussion.

 

My sarcastic statement at the end of my prior post, well you missed the point entirely. I was not criticizing you about that game in particular, as I think we both had said that the officiating was bad on calls against both teams.  My point was thats what many of you sound like when you when you make broad statements of favoritism, whining and diving despite the statistical facts that show otherwise.  Really, based on your blanket statement, can you explain why then the Canadians(as well as 18 other teams) have drawn more penalties than the Penguins?  Please?

 

As to your final statement:

 

The Penguins are and will be the leagues favorite team for the immediate future and if you can't see that, I find it hard to consider you a hockey fan

Cheers

 

 

Well jeez, what a strawman statement that is. No facts, just a yet another generalization.   Here I can do it to:

 

Well if you can't see that all teams equally bend and push the rules, I find it hard to consider you a hockey fan. 

 

See, now everyone else can read our posts and know without a doubt that neither of us are hockey fans.

Cheers.

Edited March 2, 2014 by nossagog

[Polaris922]

My dad can beat up your dad

You need to call your dad and have him beat up ihabs1993's dad. He started it!

[flyercanuck]

@B21@Polaris922@nossagog

 

 Sorry, but ihabs1993 is 110% absolutely positively indubitably irrevocably right and you guys all know it.....carry on!

[B21]

@B21@Polaris922@nossagog

 

 Sorry, but ihabs1993 is 110% absolutely positively indubitably irrevocably right and you guys all know it.....carry on!

 

Sure - about this part....

 

"Sidney Crosby has been able to take a game that was not incredibly popular in the states after the lockout and revitalize it."

 

The rest? Not so much.

[B21]

My dad can beat up your dad

 

Yeah but can he beat up Rick?

[B21]

@ihabs1993

 

Allow me to again point out your bias/hypocrisy/inaccuracies....

 

Allow me to repeat the message of what I said. Penguins fans claim that every other team in the league does it more than they do. If that's true, why do the penguins end up getting the benefit of it, for the most part?

 

Incorrect. We feel our team is treated no better or worse.  Some games we get calls. Some games we don't. See: 5:00 penalty on Glass vs. Habs.

 

 

What I'm saying is that other teams are starting to catch on to what the Penguins do and how to combat it. I assume you've heard the old saying "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". This is what the league is coming to, because instead of insanely talented players like Crosby and Malkin using just their skill to terrorize their opponents, they dive and talk their way to victories.

 

Again - other teams don't dive? If you follow hockey you know that there is a laundry list of guys known for this. Crosby among them. So is Subban.  So are half the Bruins. Diving has been around forever...just ask Flyers fans about Bill Barber. Malkin does not have this reputation....no idea where you are getting that.

 

Soon, everyone in the league will be doing the same thing the Penguins are, but better as there are more annoying players in this league than the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Neal, etc. 

 

See above. Brad Marchand. Mike Ribiero.  P.K. SUBBAN.  Dan Carcillo.  Dustin Brown. Sean Avery. Half the Bruins. Half the Canucks. Maxim Lapierre. Go back further....Paul Kariya.  Peter Forsberg. Darcy Tucker. Domenick Hasek. And of course...Bill Barber.

 

And to the comment that my team deserved these powerplays, I even said that the call on Glass was a bad call so it appears you only read what you wanted to.

The Penguins are and will be the leagues favorite team for the immediate future and if you can't see that, I find it hard to consider you a hockey fan

 

As the other poster pointed out, you whined about the Pens whining then were OK when your team whining bought them a BS call that impacted the outcome of the game.  Hypocrite? Not all all.

 

This "Pens are the league favorites...." nonsense is soooooo 2009.  You and all the other...paranoid? jealous?....hockey fans really need some new material.

 

All I ask is...prove it.  (I'll save you the trouble of basing this solely on penalties called/not called - you won't find it there.)

 

Cheers!

[B21]

@nossagog

 

Haters gonna hate. :wacko:

[nossagog]

@B21@Polaris922@nossagog

 

 Sorry, but ihabs1993 is 110% absolutely positively indubitably irrevocably right and you guys all know it.....carry on!

 

Well since you put it that way . . . .

[yave1964]

Good then you'll enjoy this...

 

http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.boston.barstoolsports.com/files/2013/06/i9TdrpnPo6wqT.gif

 

i did...

THAT was absolutely the funniest thing i have seen in quite a while. My wife and i watched it several times and couldn't decide if it was repulsive or slightly erotic.

Penguin porn. Who knew?

[OccamsRazor]

THAT was absolutely the funniest thing i have seen in quite a while. My wife and i watched it several times and couldn't decide if it was repulsive or slightly erotic.

Penguin porn. Who knew?

That is exactly what I thought I laughed so hard I almost cried....so I had to share with all.

[ihabs1993]

@B21 @Polaris922 @nossagog

I truly didn't wish to start this flame war. You guys are loyal fans, I get that but truly you must see SOME of the things we talk about, right?

And I'm not buying the whole "You guys are just mad because our team is better than your team" thing. Have you seen any "I hate those dirty Blackhawks, Blues or Ducks" posts lately? I sure haven't (And two of those teams have better records than the Penguins and the other is tied in points with a game at hand). There's clearly something different about your team that makes them an object of anger for the rest of the league. 

And my disdain for the Penguins is reasonable. Remember a few years ago in the playoffs where Staal was hurt ACCIDENTALLY by Subban's skate blade and everyone in Pittsburgh cried bloody murder, including those insufferable announcers of yours? Even today, the Roots sports guys bring it up the first time P.K. touches the puck in a Habs-Pens match-up. Then remember when Matt Cooke did virtually the same thing to Erik Karlsson and everyone claimed that Cooke wasn't that kind of player anymore? There's a double standard there that is pretty clear to me. Just ask Torts, he'll tell ya

Sorry if I made anyone too frustrated with my opinion. Until something else substantial happens, I'll hold my tongue when it comes to the Penguins and their fans.

Thanks again

Ian

ihabs1993

[nossagog]

ihabs, don't think of it as a flame war, think of it as good natured banter.

 

The example you gave above, great example of something we can talk about as an actual use case. There are Pens fans that will never forget PK for the skate on Staal, just as there are people that will never forgive Cooke for the achiles on Karlsson.  But look, both things were accidents and there are as groups of those fans of each team that will always blame the player, just as there are fans that will just say meh, it was an accident. There were people posting slow motion images of the Cooke play, claiming that it was clear intent or whatever.  Yet on TSN, they did a spot where they showed the EXACT same play happening 20 times in ONE night of games. Conclusion, the Cooke thing was a fluke, but to some people, well that was just the dirty Pens who get away with everything. The thing is NOT every pens fan felt that way about the PK thing, just as NOT every Senators fan did about Cooke.  Here's the difference, fans of other teams will still talk about the Cooke play on Karrlson, yet none of them will mention PK's skate on Staal, so what's up there?

 

See here's what we as Pens fans hear.  When a Pens player injures another teams player, its dirty and the Pens should be punished.  When another team does it to the Pens, well its either an accident, or simply Karma because of the magnitude of Pens offenses and we deserve it. So yeah, we get defensive. Heck, I think we're still working off the karma from Cooke hit on savard after Crosby's concussion, Orpik's concussion, Gonchar's knee, Neal's concussion and Malkin's knee. All accidents of course . . . .  or were they?

 

I pointed out to you the fact that the pens are 20th in the league in drawing penalties, yet there are people, and you fall into that category, who think that the Pens are getting all kinds of power plays just because they are the Pens.  But we don't, or else we you would think we would have a higher rate of power plays, not a lower one. So can you explain that?  

 

As for our announcers, well I apoligize for that, they DO suck. But I'd have to say that most teams announcers are pretty much homers in their own rights.  Hey, I remember the Lightning game, after the Steckel hit, when Hedman hit Crosby from behind into the boards giving him his second concussion.  I had the Bolts feed on Center Ice, and remember them criticize Crosby, saying he was playing it up, and just trying to draw a penalty.  How imbarassing it was for the sport.   Well I never heard an apology from them since it caused him to be out for a year and a half of play.  But what the heck.

 

Do the Pens get away with stuff on the ice? Absolutely! See, I said it. 

Do the Pens embelish for calls? Absolutely!

Do the officials make bad calls against the Pens opponents? Absolutely!

 

 But . . .

 

Do the officials let other teams get away with stuff on the ice? Absolutely! Can you agree with that?

Do other teams embelish for calls? Absolutely! Can you agree with that?

Do the officials make bad calls agains the Pens? Absolutely! Can you agree with that too?

 

One last thing, please don't think that your offending us, we're kind of used to it and its good have discussions like this.  Please call me out if you think I am personally offending you, that's not my goal.  I try to use facts and use cases to show you how we as Pens fans see it.   The only suggestion that I have for you is to try to not generalize all Pens fans in one big category.  Yes we have our complete rose colored homers, but i think that you'll find that the Pens fans on this forum are pretty honest about their team.  Heck, go over to the Pens forum and see my critique of the current state of the team, its not good.

[Polaris922]

@ihabs1993

Nobody is seeing this as an attack, bud... Just debating the opinions is all. @B21 and @nossagog have summed up the arguments very well. I agree with their comments.

Not so much with @flyercanuck 's attempt to instigate! Lol

[flyercanuck]

@Polaris922

 

 Hey, I was just trying to help.

[nossagog]

@Polaris922

 

 Hey, I was just trying to help.

 

FC, We know you're there for us, and we appreciate it.

[B21]

@B21 @Polaris922 @nossagog

I truly didn't wish to start this flame war. You guys are loyal fans, I get that but truly you must see SOME of the things we talk about, right?

And I'm not buying the whole "You guys are just mad because our team is better than your team" thing. Have you seen any "I hate those dirty Blackhawks, Blues or Ducks" posts lately? I sure haven't (And two of those teams have better records than the Penguins and the other is tied in points with a game at hand). There's clearly something different about your team that makes them an object of anger for the rest of the league. 

And my disdain for the Penguins is reasonable. Remember a few years ago in the playoffs where Staal was hurt ACCIDENTALLY by Subban's skate blade and everyone in Pittsburgh cried bloody murder, including those insufferable announcers of yours? Even today, the Roots sports guys bring it up the first time P.K. touches the puck in a Habs-Pens match-up. Then remember when Matt Cooke did virtually the same thing to Erik Karlsson and everyone claimed that Cooke wasn't that kind of player anymore? There's a double standard there that is pretty clear to me. Just ask Torts, he'll tell ya

Sorry if I made anyone too frustrated with my opinion. Until something else substantial happens, I'll hold my tongue when it comes to the Penguins and their fans.

Thanks again

Ian

ihabs1993

 

But you are doing exactly the same thing that is done all the time.  Making some blanket statements about our team based on nothing more than forum banter and who knows what else.

 

Case in point - our announcers' take on Subban.  What does that have anything to do with your original "points" that the Pens are "protected" by the league and are a dirty hockey team?  Nothing.  It's been said ad nauseum that Errey and Staggy are "homer" announcers (which none of us Pens fans have disagreed with) to which I reply...so what?  Who really cares?  It's not like they are doing national broadcasts.  Perfect example of "Pens are a great team so let's kill their announcers (or fans or the NHL or Western PA or whatever).

 

For the record - none of us (at least not I) thought the Subban incident with Staal was intentional. Carelless, maybe.  Not intentional.   I definitely brought up that incident when Cooke/Karlsson happened to point out how Cooke's reputation meant an assumption of guilt while another player with a tarnished reputation (Subban) basically got an assumption of innocence (sans the Pens announcers).

 

Again - you take something complete unrelated to your original points and run with.

 

As for the Pens being "protected" or being the favorites of the league - what is your measure for this? 

[murraycraven]

This could be the funniest thread since the inception of this board.... LOL!

 

It is all cyclical folks... a fan sees the opposing Teams player whining and the fan whines about the whining player.   Who cares about the whining b/c IMO it makes the games more fun and therefore makes the banter b/t both fanbases even funnier....

Edited March 3, 2014 by murraycraven

[pilldoc]

This could be the funniest thread since the inception of this board.... LOL!

 

It is all cyclical folks... a fan sees the opposing Teams player whining and the fan whines about the whining player.   Who cares about the whining b/c IMO it makes the games more fun and therefore makes the banter b/t both fanbases even funnier....

 

LOL...very true MC.....although I like the one that Pens fans arguing with Flyers fans on who has the more dirty players on a Habs or Leafs forum.  Now that was classic!

[jammer2]

That is exactly what I thought I laughed so hard I almost cried....so I had to share with all.

 

 

 Good Lord, I almost fell out of my seat laughing....just AWESOME!!!

[B21]

This could be the funniest thread since the inception of this board.... LOL!

 

It is all cyclical folks... a fan sees the opposing Teams player whining and the fan whines about the whining player.   Who cares about the whining b/c IMO it makes the games more fun and therefore makes the banter b/t both fanbases even funnier....

 

Remember - Pens fans only whine about the whiners whining about the alleged whiners on our team. :wacko:

 

We never whine just for the sake of whining.

[murraycraven]

I have a lot of friends that are Pens fans and they whine just as much as every other whiner when whining about another whining hockey player.   We all whine...  moreso when one is whining in the ice as an opposing fan that in turn whines about the same thing.

Edited March 4, 2014 by murraycraven