flyercanuck Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 @Polaris922 So just to get this straight (cause I'm not sure exactly where you stand with the 25 or so posts you've made in this thread) you don't think the 40 year old Timonen is as good as the younger version was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 If you're going to crystal ball a rookie's play it could've also meant fewer one goal games and larger margins of victoryI'm not sure about jammer's crystal ball. It had Crater scoring 60.Can he use your "chicago would have won anyway" ball so we can compare the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 @flyercanuckSo you criticize me for continuing the debate on new points people bring up? Well done! @radoranActually its in the stats, not a crystal ball. Let's reopen this debate next season, the fanboy mentality can argue with me when I say I think he'll make a good coach and everyone can say to stop saying Hextall made a good move about that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 @jammer2@Polaris922 I could have played 3:30 a night and the Hawks still win that Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I'm not sure about jammer's crystal ball. It had Crater scoring 60.Can he use your "chicago would have won anyway" ball so we can compare the results? Jammer really said that? Yikes. Polaris and I have hidden that ball. We suggest you fellas do the same with the "Hawks-don't-win-without-Kimmo" ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 http://i.imgur.com/TTzRzsz.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 We suggest you fellas do the same with the "Hawks-don't-win-without-Kimmo" ball. Never played with that ball. Not once. Never. You guys are the ones with the "they would have won without him" ball. There are more shades of gray than your black and white world here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan4ever Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 @OccamsRazor Awesome!!!! I'll have to send that to my sister......she LOVES him!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 @OccamsRazor That pic made my friggin summer!!! #heartwarming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 @OccamsRazor That pic made my friggin summer!!! #heartwarming!!If only it could have been in the Orange and Black...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I like this one What a class act this guy is. So glad he takes the time for these sick kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Never played with that ball. Not once. Never. You guys are the ones with the "they would have won without him" ball. There are more shades of gray than your black and white world here. Sure there are. But common sense can be applied here, too. It's a helluva lot more.....likely?....that a guy playing an average of 4:00 a night didn't have much of an impact on the outcome of the series versus the other end of that argument that "they wouldn't have won without him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Sure there are. But common sense can be applied here, too. It's a helluva lot more.....likely?....that a guy playing an average of 4:00 a night didn't have much of an impact on the outcome of the series versus the other end of that argument that "they wouldn't have won without him". Just maybe Timonen's greatest impact on the team was off the ice ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 sorry OC ..just saw the picture now. Absolutely love it! So happy for Kimmo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Just maybe Timonen's greatest impact on the team was off the ice ?? I hope so. Because if it was ON it.... I'm happy for him. He won that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Where is gummy to end this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Just maybe Timonen's greatest impact on the team was off the ice ?? That horse has been turned into glue, too. As if a team with Jesus Toews, Duncan Keith and a boatload of other grizzled veterans and coached by Joel Quenville and making their 3rd Cup run in 6 years (i.e. - they have been there before and "know what it takes to win") needed the off-ice whatever of Kimmo Timonen. Not saying he doesn't bring anything to the table off the ice....just that this Hawks team didn't need it. Hence the reason I think they wasted those picks. Why is it so hard for people to just be happy he got his name on the Cup as a great way to end a long, very good career? Paging Gummy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Not saying he doesn't bring anything to the table off the ice....just that this Hawks team didn't need it. And just as easily could be that Timonen in his limited time on the ice doesn't make a mistake that Trevor van Riemsdyk does make. "Off-ice" stuff is so hard to put a value on. Serve. Volley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B21 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 And just as easily could be that Timonen in his limited time on the ice doesn't make a mistake that Trevor van Riemsdyk does make. Just as easily as a 24 year old TVR © could make a play that a 40 year old Kimmo could not. Serve. Volley. I'm more of a baseline to baseline player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Just as easily as a 24 year old TVR © could make a play that a 40 year old Kimmo could not. At which point you look for the hockey professionals in the organization to make a determination as to who they'd rather have on the ice. I'm more of a baseline to baseline player. I prefer bass lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 At which point you look for the hockey professionals in the organization to make a determination as to who they'd rather have on the ice. The same professionals who didn't dress Timonen for the first 3 games of the series and limited him to a minimally impacting 4:00 per game on average for the last 3 games? Let me put it this way. They Hawks could have won that Cup with just about any semi-capable NHL defenseman playing those 4:00 minutes per night. TVR. Timonen. Bugs Bunny. They didn't need him to win that Cup. Deuce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The same professionals who didn't dress Timonen for the first 3 games of the series and limited him to a minimally impacting 4:00 per game on average for the last 3 games? Let me put it this way. They Hawks could have won that Cup with just about any semi-capable NHL defenseman playing those 4:00 minutes per night. TVR. Timonen. Bugs Bunny. They didn't need him to win that Cup. Deuce. It's like you haven't read this thread before. Here, I'll help: http://www.hockeyforums.net/index.php/topic/64754-grading-the-timonen-trade/page-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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