BluPuk Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 OK, I'm having a problem figuring this out (again). This year, the top 3 picks will be decided by lottery draws, not just the first pick. As I understand it, the draw will be done by using 14 numbered balls numbered 1 to 14 (just like last year) and each draw actually consists of drawing 4 numbered balls per draw, giving 1001 possible number combinations (no duplicate numbers). One of those combinations has been eliminated already to keep the possibilities to an even 1000. So, each team is assigned a random group of those number of combinations - for example the team finishing dead last gets 200 random combinations (no idea how they determine who gets what combinations) or 20% of the total number of combinations. The team finishing 29th gets assigned 135 combinations or 13.5% of the total and so on down to the 17th place team who get 10 combinations, or 1% of the total. Now, let's say for the first draw, they pull one of Winnipeg's combinations (or fill in your team if you are in the draws). This is where I get lost. Starting this year, they now have to put those four balls back in the shaker and draw four more balls, BUT now what if the numbers they draw belong to the team who's numbers they just drew?? OK, they draw again, right? So, they get another combination that belongs to that same team again! How do they avoid spending the next six months drawing numbers? If they manage to get a second number combination, now they have to draw the third one and the odds are even higher of getting a combo they can't use. Am I missing something here? It's not that I don't trust the NHL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 46 minutes ago, BluPuk said: OK, I'm having a problem figuring this out (again). This year, the top 3 picks will be decided by lottery draws, not just the first pick. As I understand it, the draw will be done by using 14 numbered balls numbered 1 to 14 (just like last year) and each draw actually consists of drawing 4 numbered balls per draw, giving 1001 possible number combinations (no duplicate numbers). One of those combinations has been eliminated already to keep the possibilities to an even 1000. So, each team is assigned a random group of those number of combinations - for example the team finishing dead last gets 200 random combinations (no idea how they determine who gets what combinations) or 20% of the total number of combinations. The team finishing 29th gets assigned 135 combinations or 13.5% of the total and so on down to the 17th place team who get 10 combinations, or 1% of the total. Now, let's say for the first draw, they pull one of Winnipeg's combinations (or fill in your team if you are in the draws). This is where I get lost. Starting this year, they now have to put those four balls back in the shaker and draw four more balls, BUT now what if the numbers they draw belong to the team who's numbers they just drew?? OK, they draw again, right? So, they get another combination that belongs to that same team again! How do they avoid spending the next six months drawing numbers? If they manage to get a second number combination, now they have to draw the third one and the odds are even higher of getting a combo they can't use. Am I missing something here? It's not that I don't trust the NHL.... Reported! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Good lord I had no idea this how the lottery is done. Sounds to me like you should just have all the GMs play poker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 LOL. I don't think anybody has any idea..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 3 hours ago, BluPuk said: OK, I'm having a problem figuring this out (again). This year, the top 3 picks will be decided by lottery draws, not just the first pick. As I understand it, the draw will be done by using 14 numbered balls numbered 1 to 14 (just like last year) and each draw actually consists of drawing 4 numbered balls per draw, giving 1001 possible number combinations (no duplicate numbers). One of those combinations has been eliminated already to keep the possibilities to an even 1000. So, each team is assigned a random group of those number of combinations - for example the team finishing dead last gets 200 random combinations (no idea how they determine who gets what combinations) or 20% of the total number of combinations. The team finishing 29th gets assigned 135 combinations or 13.5% of the total and so on down to the 17th place team who get 10 combinations, or 1% of the total. Now, let's say for the first draw, they pull one of Winnipeg's combinations (or fill in your team if you are in the draws). This is where I get lost. Starting this year, they now have to put those four balls back in the shaker and draw four more balls, BUT now what if the numbers they draw belong to the team who's numbers they just drew?? OK, they draw again, right? So, they get another combination that belongs to that same team again! How do they avoid spending the next six months drawing numbers? If they manage to get a second number combination, now they have to draw the third one and the odds are even higher of getting a combo they can't use. Am I missing something here? It's not that I don't trust the NHL.... Half the balls just have this on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Yeah, I don't understand. Assign whole number percentages. Take 100 balls. Put the logo of the teams in the lottery on the number of balls corresponding to their percentage (For traded picks, change the color of the ball itself or something). Draw one ball. Eliminate all the balls matching that one, and assign the first pick to the team whose logo is on the ball. Repeat for the 2nd and third picks. Easy peasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 SOOOO, the Leafs win the lottery and will have the choice between Liane and Matthews. A much tougher choice than many anticipated this time last year. LOVE the fact Oilers got knocked out of the top 3 = justice. Like Elliot Friendman just said, does this change the way the Leafs approach UFA period now? Does being patient go out the window and you start building the guys who will be playing with Nylander, Marner and Matthews/Liane....interesting stuff. Also...will be interesting to watch the Leafs and Flyers the next 5 years or so...the Flyers went with defense (in much worse draft positions) and the Leafs went offense. I guess it comes down to how important you view the transition game....I think it's VERY important. Can't score if you can't get the puck up the ice. Bottom line though...the Leafs are about to become a powerhouse in this league...like it or not....and que the most dysfunctional fan base in all of sports as they start to blow steam.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 On 3/4/2016 at 4:26 PM, AJgoal said: Yeah, I don't understand. Assign whole number percentages. Take 100 balls. Put the logo of the teams in the lottery on the number of balls corresponding to their percentage (For traded picks, change the color of the ball itself or something). Draw one ball. Eliminate all the balls matching that one, and assign the first pick to the team whose logo is on the ball. Repeat for the 2nd and third picks. Easy peasy. agree they make it TOO effin complicated So in case anyone cares here is the final draft order for non-playoff teams.... Toronto Winnipeg Columbus Edmonton Vancouver Calgary Arizona Buffalo Montreal Colorado New Jersey Ottawa Carolina Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 On 3/4/2016 at 2:29 PM, flyercanuck said: Half the balls just have this on them And here I've always thought the Penguins didn't have any balls..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Seems almost criminal that the Jets were half decent/respectable and now get Laine....such is life with the lottery, huh...Columbus must feel robbed....Oilers can't cry EVER again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 1 hour ago, jammer2 said: Seems almost criminal that the Jets were half decent/respectable and now get Laine....such is life with the lottery, huh...Columbus must feel robbed....Oilers can't cry EVER again... In fairness, it's everybody other than the Oilers who have been crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 54 minutes ago, JR Ewing said: In fairness, it's everybody other than the Oilers who have been crying. True enough, it would pretty bold for them to complain about anything draft related at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Vancouver fans upon dropping to 5th: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 7 hours ago, hf101 said: Vancouver fans upon dropping to 5th: I was expecting some smoldering overturned police cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: I was expecting some smoldering overturned police cars. Where do you think they are? Montreal!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 21 hours ago, jammer2 said: Seems almost criminal that the Jets were half decent/respectable and now get Laine....such is life with the lottery, huh...Columbus must feel robbed....Oilers can't cry EVER again... Winnipeg was the 6th worst team in the league. That's not decent or respectable. 35-39-8 for 78 points. They finished 9 points below the lowest playoff team (Minnesota - 87 pts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 On 5/2/2016 at 8:01 PM, AlaskaFlyerFan said: Winnipeg was the 6th worst team in the league. That's not decent or respectable. 35-39-8 for 78 points. They finished 9 points below the lowest playoff team (Minnesota - 87 pts) I know they finished dreadful....but they played some good hockey at the start of the year. I was talking more about talent base than actual points anyways. This high pick is going to add to an already decent stable of young talent. If they hit on Kyle Connor, Joel Armia (not sold on him), Josh Morrissey, Marko Dano and Nic Petan....plus this #2 overall coming, Patrick Laine, he could make Winnipeg legit cup contenders. That makes 6 really highly thought of prospects, and that is not counting Scheiffle getting better, Ehlers getting better. In 3 years, they will be scary good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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