Howie58 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I am wondering if Gudas is proving to be a liability. His penalties tonight were dumb and dirty. You'd hope he learned something from last season. The guy needs his head examined or a Moonie retrofit. Provorov looks poised and handles things like a veteran. Gudas.....not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Well one thing is for sure a loss in OT and their are in mid season form. Do these lines have time to form chemistry before the games count? I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get a game or two suspension for the elbow ...err shoulder to the head of Czarnik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hit looks pretty routine to me; I'm not even sure it deserved a boarding call. I don't see Gudas use his elbow - the overhead view shows his elbow tucked in. Supplementary discipline could go either way - who knows how those guys decide anything. If it was my call I'd let it be. Rule 45. Board Checking and Checking from Behind a. A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who body checks, cross-checks, elbows, charges or trips an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently into the boards. [edit: sorry Howie didn't mean to disregard your thought - I agree with you Gudas is a liability. He's also a pretty good defender who hits like a freight train. He'll cost us some time shorthanded but so far I think he's worth playing.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Everyone knows Gudas plays on the edge. Everyone. This particular hit looks to me like the elbow is down, but the shoulder DOES make secondary contact with the head. I STILL don't think Gudas is a "dirty" player per se....but he definitely intends on finishing his checks, no doubt about that. Look, not gonna make excuses for the guy. I KNOW he plays a smash mouth game, take it or leave it. I've also said that he does need to learn the fine art of "the let up"...but if he DOES become a liability for the Flyers, I think it would mostly be in the form of the fact that now, players, coaches, AND the officials are gonna start LOOKING for anything he does to find fault with it. If I am Hakstol, or one of the other player team leaders, I take Gudas aside and let him know that in NO way would we want him to not play the way he plays...but in some instances, to just see fit to let up on occasion...if only because now officials will be looking for the tiniest of faults in all his hits. Honestly, Radko Gudas has come a very long way from the bowling ball maniac he was in the AHL and when the TB Lightning first called him up....and I think any organization that will retain his services, Philly included, understands that you simply DON'T want this guy to nerf his playstyle....but perhaps just alter it in such a way so as to "not hurt the receiving player's feelings"...if ya get my drift. Another thing to consider: Gudas was always considered to have an underrated amount of physical strength and he packs quite a bit of solid muscle in his relatively compact 5'11 or so frame. Point being, some of his "medium" hits, due to the strength and weight packed in his frame, just seem more hard hitting than a lightweight guy following through with more speed. Again, not making excuses for him, and he does need to evolve his play just a bit more so as to not hurt his team with penalties as often, but with Gudas, you DO take the good with the bad. Until he commits some rat-bag type play of Matt Cooke or Raffi Torress caliber, I still won't call him a dirty player.....just basically a bull in a china shop most of the time. But if you are gonna have the likes of Radko Gudas on your team, you do NOT want him competing for the Lady Byng. My 39 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I guess I was looking at the 2nd video with the call of the elbow. It does look more like a driving shoulder. Looking at the video in slo-mo the hit looks a bit late too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Just now, hf101 said: I guess I was looking at the 2nd video with the call of the elbow. It does look more like a driving shoulder. Looking at the video in slo-mo the hit looks a bit late too. https://twitter.com/myregularface/status/784891405290307584/photo/1 Late for sure...that's where he simply has to use his noggin and just let up. But to me, its a shoulder hit. Thing is, you see late hits all the time in the NHL, especially on players who just got rid of the puck. Unfortunately for the Flyers though, unless Gudas smartens up a bit more (he can, he does have that understanding...he has proven it in the past), he will constantly be under the microscope where some other player may get away with "finishing his check" even if the puck was long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I didn't see the game or hit yet but if he gets suspended to start the season with the blueline already short with MDZ out and Manning questionable he will be in Hak's doghouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 I agree with TFG that he shouldn't neuter his game. But he will bring greater scrutiny. I also worry about suspensions and what they do with the lineup. The NHL Network commentators felt the hit was late too. That is unavoidable at times...but with him, it is the will to stupidity. BTW, I think the guys played a solid game. And if Read were a bit faster, I suspect he would have made a tee shot against Rask with the net wide open just before the breakaway. The team is playing well heading into the real deal. More reason to avoid one player's distracting dumbness. And Canoli--you'd have to say a lot more to be disrespectful.....and I've already had some merlot, so don't worry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 It's a little late. It looks like shoulder to me. But it looks dangerously close to leaving his feet, like launching into him. I don't know. It seems like we're having this discussion about a Gudas hit almost every other game. And that's probably not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Looks like the league is reviewing the hit. Chances are the Flyers will be without two players due to suspensions to start a new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 8 hours ago, ruxpin said: It's a little late. It looks like shoulder to me. But it looks dangerously close to leaving his feet, like launching into him. I don't know. It seems like we're having this discussion about a Gudas hit almost every other game. And that's probably not a good thing. I said this a few days ago.... We will be talking about his questionable hits at least another handful of time this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineFlyFan Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I was at the game last night as a buddy of mine has season tickets and knows I'm a flyers fan! I was SO pumped to get a peek at Konecy and Provorov. Both are pretty impressive, especially when you consider their age! Koency had a couple good scoring chances in the 1st and striped Krejcie (or however you spell it) like twice, and Provorv seemed pretty calm and cool with the puck and never got caught back.... I was scratching my head on the Gudas hit at the game but now that I see the replays "guess" I can see why, but at the same time Gudas finishes his checks. period. saw him do it about 4-5 other times last night.. I like the fact that we have at least ONE defensman who makes the other team "nervous" when he;s on the ice.... That is a good thing in my opinion. I want opponents making "quick decisions" with the puck when they see Gudas closing in on them. He just has to learn when to finish and when to let up....easier said than down from the couch...watching replays in slow-mo. I would be VERY surprised if that hit gets a suspension..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Report: NHL reviewing ‘shoulder to the head’ Gudas hit on Bruins’ Czarnik http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/10/08/report-nhl-reviewing-shoulder-to-the-head-gudas-hit-on-bruins-czarnik/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo “I just looked at [the hit]. There’s no update on [Czarnik]. We saw the shoulder to the head. Somehow he seems to have a knack of getting himself in trouble every game. I didn’t like the hit personally,” said Bruins coach Claude Julien, as per CSNNE.com. “I thought it was a little bit late, and a shoulder to the head. It’s disappointing. Here’s a young player [in Czarnik] having a good camp and really playing well, and then he ends up with a hit like that in the last few minutes.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Late hit...he really needs to let up on that. The guy can be a very good punishing defenceman...but he needs to pick his spots better and reel it in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Seems to me the puck is there < a second before Gudas makes contact. I sure hope they don't call that hit "late." But in general: 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: he needs to pick his spots better and reel it in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, canoli said: Seems to me the puck is there < a second before Gudas makes contact. I sure hope they don't call that hit "late." But in general: It's not brutal by any means...but that's two questionable hits in two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 No I know. I think he deserves a little leeway on this hit but I agree with you he can't be throwing borderline hits every game. If he does I expect his minutes will be quickly cut down to zero; Hakstol seems to have little patience for poor execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Does a hearing guarantee a suspension? His hearing is on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Not a guarantee, but it usually means one is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 1 hour ago, brelic said: Does a hearing guarantee a suspension? His hearing is on Monday. I think it's the only thing that is maybe going to change the way he takes every liberty to lay these hits...he can't keep making all these borderline hits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 24 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I think it's the only thing that is maybe going to change the way he takes every liberty to lay these hits...he can't keep making all these borderline hits... Craziness. So we're down our top pairing, top winger, Laughton, and Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Gudas's last suspension was 3 games, was asked to have an in-person hearing. Bank on at least 5 games, if not 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, hf101 said: Gudas's last suspension was 3 games, was asked to have an in-person hearing. Bank on at least 5 games, if not 6. Well maybe he'll learn. Nothing wrong with being physical but there are rules and he has to obey them. All i ask is the NHL do the same to protect Flyer players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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