Game 55: Seattle Kraken at Philadelphia Flyers; 2/12/23 @ 1:00 PM, NBCSP

[Howie58]

Seattle is favored (-146) with a 59% win probability:

https://sportsbookwire.usatoday.com/article/seattle-kraken-vs-philadelphia-flyers-odds-tips-and-betting-trends/

 

Seattle has the fifth highest scoring in the league.  Otherwise, stats aren't that much different except faceoffs:

https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/sea-vs-phi/2023/02/12/2022020848

 

Last year, Ron Francis was derided.  I guess he and his staff must have a method to their madness.  

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

[OccamsRazor]

 

[flyercanuck]

8 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

This should surprise NOONE after every other Fletcher transaction. 

 

Or after Deangelos entire hockey career. 

[TropicalFruitGirl26]

JVR ties the game once again.
Trade him now! His value will never be higher!  

[TropicalFruitGirl26]

Damn...Farabee got hit so hard, he went after the WRONG guy once he got his bearings back!

Adam Larssen clubbed him pretty good, but once Farabee shook off the cobwebs, he goes after Vince Dunn, trying to drop the gloves with him...Dunn is looking at him like WTF is your problem, and Farabee is left frustrated because Dunn wouldn't answer for the hit! 

Meanwhile, Larsson is on the bench smoking a cigarette.....

[TropicalFruitGirl26]

Tell ya what....Flyers may not be very good overall, but they are certainly showing some heart n soul here.
They could have easily folded the tent a while ago, but they are pushing right down to the last second to try and tie this game (and almost did!) and send it to OT.

[OccamsRazor]

20 minutes ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said:

Tell ya what....Flyers may not be very good overall, but they are certainly showing some heart n soul here.
They could have easily folded the tent a while ago, but they are pushing right down to the last second to try and tie this game (and almost did!) and send it to OT.

 

 

The team will be slightly better next year with the trades that go down at the deadline and the offseason.

 

 

Finish around 10th in the East.

 

F

 

Farabee - Frost- Brink

Foerster - Cates -Tippett

Gauthier - Laughton - Foerster

Deslauriers - Laczynski- Allison

 

D

 

Provorov-York

Sanheim-Ristolainen

Zamula-Attard

 

Hart 

Ersson

 

Hayes, JVR, Seeler and Braun traded by deadline.

 

Koencny maybe traded in the offseason or kept and all the RWs bump down.

[Howie58]

I only watched the first period. Seattle's two goals were from lousy turnovers, but I'd hoped Sandstrom could have stopped one.  

 

I will see the other highlights.  I got the impression we were incapable of keeping up with them.  

[GrittyForever]

Ya, their speed was the difference, but Flyers didn't quit and it was close so there's that. Maybe if Hart had been in goal and he saves one more this game turns out different but it was a good effort. JVR has to go and all that but you have to admit that goal was pretty cool. 

[flyercanuck]

8 hours ago, GrittyForever said:

Ya, their speed was the difference, but Flyers didn't quit and it was close so there's that. Maybe if Hart had been in goal and he saves one more this game turns out different but it was a good effort. JVR has to go and all that but you have to admit that goal was pretty cool. 

 

Yes, he has given us seconds of pleasure in his eight frustrating years of lazyass lollygagging. 

[ruxpin]

23 hours ago, GrittyForever said:

Ya, their speed was the difference, but Flyers didn't quit and it was close so there's that. Maybe if Hart had been in goal and he saves one more this game turns out different but it was a good effort. JVR has to go and all that but you have to admit that goal was pretty cool. 

The Hindenburg crashed and all that  but you have to admit the inflight dinner was pretty damn amazing.

[GrittyForever]

4 hours ago, ruxpin said:

The Hindenburg crashed and all that  but you have to admit the inflight dinner was pretty damn amazing.

Was it? What did they serve? BBQ?

 

I take what enjoyment and entertainment I can get this year. Only way to stay sane.

[flyercanuck]

3 hours ago, GrittyForever said:

 

I take what enjoyment and entertainment I can get this year. Only way to stay sane.

 

Same. Re-runs of Gilligans Island take up my time I used to watch the Flyers. Gilligan bumbles way less than the crack defence that Fletcher assembled. Thurston and Lovey work way harder than Hayes and JVR. And that coconut cream pie of MaryAnnes shows way better hockey acumen than our front office. 

[flyer4ever]

6 hours ago, GrittyForever said:

Was it? What did they serve? BBQ?

 

I take what enjoyment and entertainment I can get this year. Only way to stay sane.

A Hindenburg moment is exactly what the dysfunctional Flyers need. Blow it the f#*k up. For the past 11 years.

[tucson83]

12 hours ago, flyer4ever said:

A Hindenburg moment is exactly what the dysfunctional Flyers need. Blow it the f#*k up. For the past 11 years.

 

 what makes you think blowing up will fix anything? do you have any logical sense out of that or is it you just want this team to be bad? because you are not going to win anything in over 10 years. only a few teams have blown it up and they are a trainwreck, can you please give me that sense how just being the phoenix coyotes, sabres, sens for over a decade is going to make things better for you now?

 

just sounds like you are ones that have given up on this team winning after the cup finals lost and just dont care about it anymore.

[radoran]

51 minutes ago, tucson83 said:

because you are not going to win anything in over 10 years.

 

[flyer4ever]

2 hours ago, tucson83 said:

 

 what makes you think blowing up will fix anything? do you have any logical sense out of that or is it you just want this team to be bad? because you are not going to win anything in over 10 years. only a few teams have blown it up and they are a trainwreck, can you please give me that sense how just being the phoenix coyotes, sabres, sens for over a decade is going to make things better for you now?

 

just sounds like you are ones that have given up on this team winning after the cup finals lost and just dont care about it anymore.

Not sure how many times this has to be explained to you, but here goes. EVERY cup winner since the 2010 finals appearance by the Flyers had multiple top 5 draft picks at the top of their lineup. You cannot compete for a cup drafting 15th every year. You also can't win a cup if your nucleus is a bunch of 30 year olds with injury issues. The game is so fast now and the playoffs are such a grind, you need to be young, you need to be fast, and you need to be physical. You cannot achieve these benchmarks by pursuing mediocrity, which is what the current Flyer management is doing. So if they carry on like this, which it seems like you endorse, so be it, but in MHO, this is the recipe for ten years of no measurable success, which is actually at the 13 year mark. I do admire the wins they are gutting out this season, and Torts is a breath of fresh air, and some of the kids are contributing,  but they are not making the playoffs, and they are not going to draft a stud at 11 or 12, which means more of the same to come.

[GrittyForever]

20 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Same. Re-runs of Gilligans Island take up my time I used to watch the Flyers. Gilligan bumbles way less than the crack defence that Fletcher assembled. Thurston and Lovey work way harder than Hayes and JVR. And that coconut cream pie of MaryAnnes shows way better hockey acumen than our front office. 

Ya, but the professor still can't fix a boat. 

[GrittyForever]

2 hours ago, flyer4ever said:

Not sure how many times this has to be explained to you, but here goes. EVERY cup winner since the 2010 finals appearance by the Flyers had multiple top 5 draft picks at the top of their lineup. You cannot compete for a cup drafting 15th every year. You also can't win a cup if your nucleus is a bunch of 30 year olds with injury issues. The game is so fast now and the playoffs are such a grind, you need to be young, you need to be fast, and you need to be physical. You cannot achieve these benchmarks by pursuing mediocrity, which is what the current Flyer management is doing. So if they carry on like this, which it seems like you endorse, so be it, but in MHO, this is the recipe for ten years of no measurable success, which is actually at the 13 year mark. I do admire the wins they are gutting out this season, and Torts is a breath of fresh air, and some of the kids are contributing,  but they are not making the playoffs, and they are not going to draft a stud at 11 or 12, which means more of the same to come.

Well ya, you can't trade draft picks away for over rated D men and hope to win in the long term. You have to keep your top picks and you have to draft well. This is not a secret. As I've said before, only the Bruins have been the exception to the rule, and that's only because they drafted a solid core years ago to build around.

 

You don't have to tank and trash it all at once though. The Buffalo plan has taken way too long and might not even be working yet, hard to say, but they still have a way to go. Tanking is folly, even for a Bedard. 

 

Create a plan, establish an identity and culture, stick to the plan, get rid of the stiffs and anyone who doesn't fully buy in one by one as contracts and opportunities allow, keep your picks and use them wisely. You follow that and in time any team should be reasonably good. 

[flyercanuck]

3 hours ago, GrittyForever said:

Ya, but the professor still can't fix a boat. 

 

So he's Fletcher?

[GratefulFlyers]

17 hours ago, flyer4ever said:

I do admire the wins they are gutting out this season, and Torts is a breath of fresh air, and some of the kids are contributing, 

 

And with some brains at the top of the organization - the kind that would start a rebuild plan today - the Flyers would be okay for now. Unfortunately the moronic GM and Co. set them back quite a bit by signing Hayes and Ristolainen to such long, expensive contracts. But even they'll expire eventually. Meanwhile Ristolainen is competent and Hayes is scoring goals.

 

The problem of course is the "brains" at the top will simply not rebuild through drafting and development. They will continue to chase overpriced, aging UFAs, throwing away draft picks in the process. Etc. etc. We've been watching this movie for a long time and it's not over. Fletcher is still in charge, the Senior Advisors are still sitting on their asses with their binders on and Tortorella's shelf life clock is ticking. It ain't looking good for the Flyers.

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by GratefulFlyers

[GrittyForever]

20 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

So he's Fletcher?

You got it. Smartest man in the room (or so he thinks)

 

[tucson83]

On 2/14/2023 at 10:52 PM, flyer4ever said:

Not sure how many times this has to be explained to you, but here goes. EVERY cup winner since the 2010 finals appearance by the Flyers had multiple top 5 draft picks at the top of their lineup. You cannot compete for a cup drafting 15th every year. You also can't win a cup if your nucleus is a bunch of 30 year olds with injury issues. The game is so fast now and the playoffs are such a grind, you need to be young, you need to be fast, and you need to be physical. You cannot achieve these benchmarks by pursuing mediocrity, which is what the current Flyer management is doing. So if they carry on like this, which it seems like you endorse, so be it, but in MHO, this is the recipe for ten years of no measurable success, which is actually at the 13 year mark. I do admire the wins they are gutting out this season, and Torts is a breath of fresh air, and some of the kids are contributing,  but they are not making the playoffs, and they are not going to draft a stud at 11 or 12, which means more of the same to come.

 

how is it the organization's fault the nhl has created a draft lottery that no teams in the nhl has no control over? what is it that you dont get? what if you dont get bedard? what's plan b? you keep thinking that we will get him and no one will, i mean we were supposed to get kane and gave us jvr and we had the worst record why are you just ignoring that scenario? it''s a lottery, we were supposed to have pick 4 this year and gave us 5, no one has control over it, it's rules of the nhl, if you dont follow them, you will be a trash nhl team.

 

it's hard to win in the nhl, especially when you have a hard cap, you are not going to compete by tanking, you need proven stars to improve to speed up the rebuild and not hope for them because every draft class could have dud. no one is going to want our picks to get young stars back, especially if they are jvr or patrick, teams value picks more than they did in non salary cap league, you have to accept for what it is and make trades for stars that has very little value or get lucky in fa. there's no other way. i get the fact you want a cup, i want a cup, everyone in nhl wants a cup, it's cap strict league, you have to be patient and hope for stars to become available because teams wont just give them to you.

 

nhl created this, no one else. blame them and if you cant be patient then maybe send letters to gary and maybe he will get rid of salary cap so teams in the nhl can get stars for nothing and see this team be a contender again. i dont know what else to tell you is just enjoy flyers hockey and hope things go our way.

 

 

[ruxpin]

1 hour ago, tucson83 said:

 

how is it the organization's fault the nhl has created a draft lottery that no teams in the nhl has no control over? what is it that you dont get? what if you dont get bedard? what's plan b? you keep thinking that we will get him and no one will, i mean we were supposed to get kane and gave us jvr and we had the worst record why are you just ignoring that scenario? it''s a lottery, we were supposed to have pick 4 this year and gave us 5, no one has control over it, it's rules of the nhl, if you dont follow them, you will be a trash nhl team.

 

it's hard to win in the nhl, especially when you have a hard cap, you are not going to compete by tanking, you need proven stars to improve to speed up the rebuild and not hope for them because every draft class could have dud. no one is going to want our picks to get young stars back, especially if they are jvr or patrick, teams value picks more than they did in non salary cap league, you have to accept for what it is and make trades for stars that has very little value or get lucky in fa. there's no other way. i get the fact you want a cup, i want a cup, everyone in nhl wants a cup, it's cap strict league, you have to be patient and hope for stars to become available because teams wont just give them to you.

 

nhl created this, no one else. blame them and if you cant be patient then maybe send letters to gary and maybe he will get rid of salary cap so teams in the nhl can get stars for nothing and see this team be a contender again. i dont know what else to tell you is just enjoy flyers hockey and hope things go our way.

 

 

Like every one of your posts, I disagree with every delusional word. There's not a single Cup winning team in over a decade whose core wasn't drafted  by that team. Not one.  Facts are facts.

Edited February 17, 2023 by ruxpin