jammer2 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Man oh man, is this ever depressing. Flyers have just over 19 mill of cap space, or under one third of their 69 mill of cap space allotted to 4 players....VLC, Ummby, Streit and McDonald. All are signed for multiple years. Just a unmitigated disaster of major proportions. No wonder Hexy is in tough. Even though Ummby is his doing....the mess Homer left this team in is outrageous. Good Lord....Ummby the second highest paid forward on the team....really? http://www.hockeybuzz.com/team/Philadelphia-Flyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Homer - the gift that keeps on giving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Homer - the gift that keeps on giving You should just start calling Holmgren "Herpes" instead of "Homer". You have both forever it seems and they always flare up at the wrong time. For instance, when you want to sign a free agent or make a pick in the 2nd round of a draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 @B21Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 You should just start calling Holmgren "Herpes" instead of "Homer". You have both forever it seems and they always flare up at the wrong time. For instance, when you want to sign a free agent or make a pick in the 2nd round of a draft.I was thinking more like "boobonic plague" (slight spelling adjustment from original), but yours was good also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 @jammer2That was my issue with the Hartnell / Umburger trade... I thought you could've dumped Hartnell to a decent team looking for a top six forward and get a couple picks and out of the contract. Moot point now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishjim Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 @jammer2That was my issue with the Hartnell / Umburger trade... I thought you could've dumped Hartnell to a decent team looking for a top six forward and get a couple picks and out of the contract. Moot point now.in EA NHL15 that was possible..columbus was the only team that called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 You should just start calling Holmgren "Herpes" instead of "Homer". You have both forever it seems and they always flare up at the wrong time. For instance, when you want to sign a free agent or make a pick in the 2nd round of a draft.Now that was funny^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Man oh man, is this ever depressing. Flyers have just over 19 mill of cap space, or under one third of their 69 mill of cap space allotted to 4 players....VLC, Ummby, Streit and McDonald. All are signed for multiple years. Just a unmitigated disaster of major proportions. No wonder Hexy is in tough. Even though Ummby is his doing....the mess Homer left this team in is outrageous. Good Lord....Ummby the second highest paid forward on the team....really? http://www.hockeybuzz.com/team/Philadelphia-Flyers Wow, 20% of our cap spent on 4 players who are not part of the core. The only one in that list that is decent in any way is Streit - he's kinda become the new Timonen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 in EA NHL15 that was possible..columbus was the only team that calledSure, if they HAD to "get out from under the contract" immediately.There was no pressure to do so. There was no pressing need.They could have waited until the deadline. They could have waited two years and still gotten more "relief" and no commitment to a player for a year beyond that.They sold low, unnecessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindbergh31 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 @Polaris922 The only problem with trading Hartnell to a decent team looking for a top 6 forward is they wouldn't pickup the remaining 5 years for picks, any smart gm would want to send a bad contract back to the Flyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 They sold low, unnecessarily. Maybe should have been this years marketing slogan: "2014-15 Philadelphia Flyers, Sell Low, Buy High." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 @Polaris922 The only problem with trading Hartnell to a decent team looking for a top 6 forward is they wouldn't pickup the remaining 5 years for picks, any smart gm would want to send a bad contract back to the Flyers. Again, this assumes that the team HAD to deal Hartnell this past offseason. They didn't have to, at all. They could do it this upcoming deadline if the right situation presented itself. They could do it two years from now when the commitment wouldn't have been as long. As it is, they're hoping to "showcase" VLC to then unload the next three years of his deal AND they're still stuck with Umburglar. That said, the possibility of Umburglar still getting bought out remains a distinct possibility. Then they're just stuck with (IIRC) a $1.6M cap hit for four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 That said, the possibility of Umburglar still getting bought out remains a distinct possibility. Then they're just stuck with (IIRC) a $1.6M cap hit for four years. I really think this is what happens. My goodness - the amount of money this team spends on players not playing for them is astonishing. With one year's worth of the Flyers' wasted money, I could feed my family and my sister's family for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I really think this is what happens. My goodness - the amount of money this team spends on players not playing for them is astonishing. With one year's worth of the Flyers' wasted money, I could feed my family and my sister's family for life. True, but they are still spending on payroll about what they were spending back in the Lindros years. Maybe less. That's pretty damn good from a "business" perspective. Money really means nothing to the Flyers. Comcast (almost) literally has more money than God and the Flyers are tremendously profitable for the company as a whole even if the "Flyers" portion "loses" money (CSN, cable subscriptions, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 True, but they are still spending on payroll about what they were spending back in the Lindros years. Not because they're fiscally responsible but because there's a hard cap. Money really means nothing to the Flyers. Comcast (almost) literally has more money than God and the Flyers are tremendously profitable for the company as a whole even if the "Flyers" portion "loses" money (CSN, cable subscriptions, etc.). Totally agree - money is no object when it comes to Comcast, and by extension it seems, the Flyers. I was just pointing out how many bad business decisions they've made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Sure, if they HAD to "get out from under the contract" immediately.There was no pressure to do so. There was no pressing need.They could have waited until the deadline. They could have waited two years and still gotten more "relief" and no commitment to a player for a year beyond that.They sold low, unnecessarily.Well, I feel like Hexy came in with a 5 year plan. I think dumping Hartnell's contract dump was ridding them of 2 years of problems cap wise. There's been numerous studies, already, about the Umby/Fartsmell trade and the merits of it. It's basically a wash with the main advantage being the loss of 2 years of a cap heavy contract. I really think we're looking at a 5 year rebuild that no one in Flyer's mgmt will ever call a rebuild. In 5 years time, though, we should be clear of most of our cap problems... have a stable stockpile of young talent and emerging talents... and with the expected cap increases... we could be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Now that was funny^^^^^^^^ Carlo CocaCola™ Herpes™ What a contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Well, I feel like Hexy came in with a 5 year plan. I think dumping Hartnell's contract dump was ridding them of 2 years of problems cap wise. There's been numerous studies, already, about the Umby/Fartsmell trade and the merits of it. It's basically a wash with the main advantage being the loss of 2 years of a cap heavy contract. I really think we're looking at a 5 year rebuild that no one in Flyer's mgmt will ever call a rebuild. In 5 years time, though, we should be clear of most of our cap problems... have a stable stockpile of young talent and emerging talents... and with the expected cap increases... we could be good. I am curious to see if Umburglar gets bought out. If his production continues as it is, he likely will be. That lowers the cap hit from $4.75M for Hartnell to a $1.6M buyout and at least gives some more flexibility there. Clearly Hextall didn't want Hartnell here, for whatever reason. It's all wudder under the bridge at this point, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 If his production continues as it is You make it sound like there *is* production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I am curious to see if Umburglar gets bought out. If his production continues as it is, he likely will be. That lowers the cap hit from $4.75M for Hartnell to a $1.6M buyout and at least gives some more flexibility there. Clearly Hextall didn't want Hartnell here, for whatever reason. It's all wudder under the bridge at this point,yeah... I think his main reason for getting rid of Hartnell was declared as 'speed'. Which, is kinda confusing because Umbsy seems pretty slow himself. Possibly it was with the added benefit that Umbsy kills penalties instead of takes them... for the most part. Admittedly, this deal is somewhat of a head scratcher from a few different angles. Umbsy was probably going to be bought out and Fartsmell is currently the better player. Maybe we have big plans for that 4th round pick!? Umbsy has been pretty terrible, though. That makes the deal look quite bad, but if we hold it up next to the JVR/Schenn deal... it looks great! Always a silver lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 @Polaris922The only problem with trading Hartnell to a decent team looking for a top 6 forward is they wouldn't pickup the remaining 5 years for picks, any smart gm would want to send a bad contract back to the Flyers.Not if it were trade deadline time and a GM is looking for that one guy that just fits... Even if we're just a third rounder you'd be better off than Umberger's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Not if it were trade deadline time and a GM is looking for that one guy that just fits... Even if we're just a third rounder you'd be better off than Umberger's contract. Don't forget that Hartnell had an NMC - that's what makes me believe that Hextall saw an opportunity and took it. Who knows when or if that would have come around again. You need a triple coincidence of a team interested in Hartnell, Hartnell willing to waive his NMC, and Hextall happy enough with the return to pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I am curious to see if Umburglar gets bought out. If his production continues as it is, he likely will be. That lowers the cap hit from $4.75M for Hartnell to a $1.6M buyout and at least gives some more flexibility there.Clearly Hextall didn't want Hartnell here, for whatever reason. It's all wudder under the bridge at this point,If they buy him out they have to absorb a size able cap hit for twice as many years as he has left on his contract. http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-do-buyouts-work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Don't forget that Hartnell had an NMC - that's what makes me believe that Hextall saw an opportunity and took it. Who knows when or if that would have come around again. You need a triple coincidence of a team interested in Hartnell, Hartnell willing to waive his NMC, and Hextall happy enough with the return to pull the trigger.He agreed to go to Columbus... I think the NMC would be a non-factor if a team making a playoff run wanted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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