Samifan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I don't think the RCMP would be involved if it didn't have something to do with the Canadian border.Maybe Richards infraction involved a horse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Maybe Richards infraction involved a horse! TMZ is reporting that Mike Richards' border crossing incident involved him carrying oxycodone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 TMZ saying that Richards was nabbed trying to bring Oxycodone across the border: http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/30/nhls-mike-richards-nhl-notified-about-oxycodone-drama-at-canadian-border/ NHL officials have been notified that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police investigation into ex-L.A. Kings player Mike Richards involves the prescription drug oxycodone ... multiple sources tell TMZ Sports. Our sources say Richards was stopped while crossing from the United States into Canada on June 17th ... and we're told he was questioned about oxycodone pills, a powerful painkiller. For the record, Richards has NOT been charged with a crime. However, he has since been cut from the team for "a material breach of the requirements of his Standard Player's Contract."We reached out to Richards' agent for comment multiple times but haven't heard back. Canadian officials refused to comment, citing privacy laws. But a rep for the NHL Players Association tells us, "We are in the process of reviewing the facts and circumstances of this matter, and will discuss the situation with the player in order to determine the appropriate course of action." Nice try, Dean Lombardi. I'd be stunned if they get away with this. Richards belongs in the substance abuse program more so than his contract to be terminated. The Kings are obviously just trying to use this is an excuse to get out of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I'd love to be at the arbitration hearing. Lombardi: We have to terminate Mr. Richards' contract. This drug use is a clear violation of the morality clause. Arbitrator: Has any player on your club ever had this happen before? Lombardi: Well, Jarrett Stoll did last month. Arbitrator: Oh, so you terminated his contract, then? Lombardi: Well, no... We still have use for him. Mike Richards will win his hearing, if it even gets THAT far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 TMZ saying that Richards was nabbed trying to bring Oxycodone across the border: http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/30/nhls-mike-richards-nhl-notified-about-oxycodone-drama-at-canadian-border/ Nice try, Dean Lombardi. I'd be stunned if they get away with this. Richards belongs in the substance abuse program more so than his contract to be terminated. The Kings are obviously just trying to use this is an excuse to get out of his contract.The amount of Oxcycodone has something to do with the investigation also. If it was a 7 -10 day supply I don't know why there would be a need for an investigation. But there is one, soooo.... that pretty much suggests that he was in possession of much more. That becomes much more then than drug abuse as it can become drug trafficking. Richards could be also be banned from the United States also and that also would warrant a termination of an NHL contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Agreed Hf101. This has to involve more than just oxycodone for one (prescribed or not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The amount of Oxcycodone has something to do with the investigation also. If it was a 7 -10 day supply I don't know why there would be a need for an investigation. But there is one, soooo.... that pretty much suggests that he was in possession of much more. That becomes much more then than drug abuse as it can become drug trafficking. Richards could be also be banned from the United States also and that also would warrant a termination of an NHL contract. You're right, that could be the case. I'm not a cop, but I would have thought that if Richards had enough on him that they thought he was a drug trafficker, they would have arrested him. I'm also not a lawyer, but I was reading an article written by Eric Macramalla, TSN's legal analyst, and guys have been locked in prison, clearly unable to play games, and that still wasn't enough to get a contract terminated. In all of the times that these situations have come up, only one time has the termination held up: when Shawn Chacon strangled his GM. None of us really know what the hell we're talking about, but history suggests that Lombardi ends up where he started. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2015/06/30/the-l-a-kings-and-the-difficult-task-of-upholding-the-termination-of-the-mike-richards-contract/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Maybe the investigation is as simple as the RCMP trying to track down the doctor that prescribed the pills to Richards to verify his "need". MR- "Honest officers I have a prescription just check with my doctor."RCMP- "who's your doctor?"MR- "Dr. Seuss" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I'll bet he gets that **** on the cheap in Mexico and got busted... remember I made this up first. Mojo News we just make **** up. HA HA HA....classic mojo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 edit: where did the "Mexico" angle come from? Somebody speculating? I did see the ESPN story that said the RCMP is definitely involved. dude i just made that **** up...MOJO News ...we make **** up. Seriously , i was speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 All this these dark foreboding inferences over some Oxy?? Really?? You would think he had a dead body in his trunk or something. Like others have stated, if he was smuggling and had some huge stash, he would be in jail. At this point, I don't really care if he had a prescription or they were illegal....this whole dog and pony show is STUPID. Aziz's post was obviously an attempt at humor, but it is resoundingly accurate....if the Kings did not try to terminate Stoll's contract (which is basically the same circumstances, just different drugs), they have no legal ground to try these shenanigans with Richards. I don't know what kind of crap Lombardi is trying to sell, but this angle he is attempting, it's gonna get blown out of the water...UNLESS there is WAY more to this story, Dean is a loser for trying this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 All this these dark foreboding inferences over some Oxy?? Really?? You would think he had a dead body in his trunk or something. Like others have stated, if he was smuggling and had some huge stash, he would be in jail. At this point, I don't really care if he had a prescription or they were illegal....this whole dog and pony show is STUPID. Aziz's post was obviously an attempt at humor, but it is resoundingly accurate....if the Kings did not try to terminate Stoll's contract (which is basically the same circumstances, just different drugs), they have no legal ground to try these shenanigans with Richards. I don't know what kind of crap Lombardi is trying to sell, but this angle he is attempting, it's gonna get blown out of the water...UNLESS there is WAY more to this story, Dean is a loser for trying this. I would agree, except for the fact that from the statements made this morning, both the RCMP and the border police were involved. That tells me that we're talking about something a bit more significant here. And that is where Richards could run into difficulties. Depending on the severity of a drug offense, noncitizens, even those with green cards, are subject to deportation and permanent removal from the US. That could be a significant problem for a player in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I would agree, except for the fact that from the statements made this morning, both the RCMP and the border police were involved. That tells me that we're talking about something a bit more significant here. And that is where Richards could run into difficulties. Depending on the severity of a drug offense, noncitizens, even those with green cards, are subject to deportation and permanent removal from the US. That could be a significant problem for a player in the NHL. I see where you are coming from, but could the same thing not be said about Stoll? He can never come into Canada again with his drug charges, but yet we have no circus atmosphere surrounding Stoll like we have with Richards. They are both guilty of possessing illegal drugs, the only difference is Stolls case had nothing to do with the border, but the penalty is the same, they will both be virtual prisoners in thier home countries, unable to travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Stoll is also a UFA, hence there's no reason to worry about his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Stoll is also a UFA, hence there's no reason to worry about his contract. Ahhh, forgot about that...my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Again, I don't disagree. Unless this is something really bad (And the leaks from the "insider" types kept making it sound like it was), I don't like the precedent of terminating a contract for the "morality" clause. I'm guessing there are one or ten more shoes to drop in the coming days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 If it is indeed drugs, teams have to go the PC route, get him help. Totally different sport, and in the NFL you can cut a guy for sneezing the wrong way...but I was ok with the Patriots cutting ties with the serial killer Aaron Hernandez....if you are gonna cut a guy based on morality, killing 3 people (2 have not been proven, but he was just charged with another double homicide) gets the job done *real* fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 You're right, that could be the case. I'm not a cop, but I would have thought that if Richards had enough on him that they thought he was a drug trafficker, they would have arrested him. I'm also not a lawyer, but I was reading an article written by Eric Macramalla, TSN's legal analyst, and guys have been locked in prison, clearly unable to play games, and that still wasn't enough to get a contract terminated. In all of the times that these situations have come up, only one time has the termination held up: when Shawn Chacon strangled his GM. None of us really know what the hell we're talking about, but history suggests that Lombardi ends up where he started. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2015/06/30/the-l-a-kings-and-the-difficult-task-of-upholding-the-termination-of-the-mike-richards-contract/I'm not a cop either and why is @Polaris922 avoiding this thread. Granted those cases set a precedence but they are also about a decade old. A lot has changed in how easily big businesses can downsize to fit the budget of their needs. Today's athletes that fall from grace are also much more scrutinized than before as they are viewed not worth the money they earn . And I believe the fans are on the side of Corporate America trimming the fat to bring a better product for their entertainment. This case just could be the one that sets a new precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Richards was not arrested so that tells me it was a minor infraction. Did the Red Wings try to terminate Bob Probert's contract when he was busted taking cocaine across the border? No, they kept him and dealt with the concequences. I don't remember the specifics, but there was a period of time that Probert couldn't cross the border for games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 If it is indeed drugs, teams have to go the PC route, get him help. Totally different sport, and in the NFL you can cut a guy for sneezing the wrong way...but I was ok with the Patriots cutting ties with the serial killer Aaron Hernandez....if you are gonna cut a guy based on morality, killing 3 people (2 have not been proven, but he was just charged with another double homicide) gets the job done *real* fast.Richie needs to get on the phone and call Kevin Stevens up and see if he has a good lawyer to suggest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I'm not a cop either and why is @Polaris922 avoiding this thread. Granted those cases set a precedence but they are also about a decade old. A lot has changed in how easily big businesses can downsize to fit the budget of their needs. Today's athletes that fall from grace are also much more scrutinized than before as they are viewed not worth the money they earn . And I believe the fans are on the side of Corporate America trimming the fat to bring a better product for their entertainment. This case just could be the one that sets a new precedent. Again, you're right that it could set precedent, and it will be interesting to see what happens. Certainly, that big shot sports attorney sees it as extremely unlikely. On another site I lurk at, a lawyer was speaking about this sort of thing (he's done the binding arbitration rodeo lots of times) said that one thing which can really impact a hearing are if the business has encountered others situations previously which may seek to have them terminate a contract. Stoll's contract was expiring, of course, so there was no need. I wonder if the Voynov situation will come up? As for fans? I can imagine the arbitrator couldn't care less, but I know what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 @JR Ewing From where I'm sitting, any amount of drugs can't top the brutal reality of the Voynov situation. *Allegedly* punching the crap out of the woman you are supposed to love tops a few pills in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Richards was crossing the border and border agents kept insisting that Voynov couldn't sit on his lap while he drove. Aside from being weird, given his legal situation, Voynov couldn't cross the border.Richards would not comply and Voynov wouldn't answer the agents. They began demanding that Richards get out of the car. He wouldn't move. Voynov still wouldn't respond.Finally, they noticed empty Viagra vials on the back seat. When questioned, Richards admitted that he'd taken way too many of the pills. The border agents began asking Voynov if he had taken them too. Finally, just as Richards tried to object, the border guard reached into the car and tried to shake Voynov, who immediately vomited a white creamy substance.The agent jumped back reaching for his weapon when suddenly, Voynov began to slump and then whither away to nothing.The moral of the story is: if you use too much Viagra and have a Voynov for more than four hours, don't try to cross the border. Call a physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Aren't the Kings supposed to provide whatever help Richards needs? Somehow I don't think terminating his contract with zero compensation is going to help him. I think it says something about that organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Richards was crossing the border and border agents kept insisting that Voynov couldn't sit on his lap while he drove. Aside from being weird, given his legal situation, Voynov couldn't cross the border.Richards would not comply and Voynov wouldn't answer the agents. They began demanding that Richards get out of the car. He wouldn't move. Voynov still wouldn't respond.Finally, they noticed empty Viagra vials on the back seat. When questioned, Richards admitted that he'd taken way too many of the pills. The border agents began asking Voynov if he had taken them to. Finally, just as Richards tried to object, the border guard reached into the car and tried to shake Voynov, who immediately vomited a white creamy substance.The agent jumped back reaching for his weapon when suddenly, Voynov began to slump and then whither away to nothing.The moral of the story is, if you use too much Viagra and have a Voynov for more than four hours, don't try to cross the border. Call a physician.GOLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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