Trade Giroux to Nashville?

[caluso]

10 games and we already have a trade G post... some things never change.

why not, it is fun and distracts us from wallowing in our misery.

it's unbelievably frustrating watching the team play great one game and then horribly for the next three.

[ratskull]

An ideal trading partner might be the Yotes....soon to be moving an needing a major draw in their new setting....AND needed the playoff cash infusion that G would bring.

 

How about Flyers send Giroux and Laughton to the Coyotes for Domi, Strome, 1st Rd 2016 and 2nd Rd 2016.

The teams would swap two centers. Phoenix pays the extra picks while Philly waits for one of these young guys to develop into a #1 center (if that ever happens). Phoenix gets their star player and another good young center and Philly gets two young centers that will mesh better with the younger defensemen that are coming up in a couple of years. Plus a shot at a couple more decent players while they wait. It will never happen, just throwing it out there for the fun of it.

 

[murraycraven]

why not, it is fun and distracts us from wallowing in our misery.

it's unbelievably frustrating watching the team play great one game and then horribly for the next three.

I think it is a worthy discussion caluso and did not mean to come across in an I'll manner.

To even consider this it would have to be a haul of cant-miss prospects and picks. G is a star in this league and he is not to blame for this. That man is sitting as president of Comcast and goes by the name Homer.

I think G is a good captain and Jake will be fine. However, if a haul of gold could be had it has to be considered. Trade for prospects and the rebuild goes out a few more years...

[flyercanuck]

Last year I brought up the idea of trading Giroux for the right to pick McDavid. I don't recall exactly but I think more than half were against it because Giroux already made it and McDavid was still just a maybe. I'd bet one year later there'd be a big change in that line of thinking.

[radoran]

Last year I brought up the idea of trading Giroux for the right to pick McDavid. I don't recall exactly but I think more than half were against it because Giroux already made it and McDavid was still just a maybe. I'd bet one year later there'd be a big change in that line of thinking.

 

Well, if you believe Edmonton would have done that deal...

 

I, for one, don't.

 

McDavid's on pace to be a 30-goal scorer as an 18-year-old (and was projected as a "McJesus" the entire time).

 

Giroux at 27 has yet to score 30.

 

If the Flyers had traded the rights to pick McDavid for a 27-year-old with seven more years at $8M+ that had scored more than 25 twice I have a feeling you'd be storming the barricades at 3600 S. Broad Street.

 

YMMV

[Bakanekimiwa]

 

I think it's time to explore dealing Giroux, so why not to Nashville.

 

This is NOT a Giroux-sucks thread, rather it is a thread looking at a way to rebuild a bit quicker. It is obvious that the Flyers are seriously void in talent, and not just on the back end. In fact, with the exception of G and V, who we all agree are underperforming right now, who is a dynamic playmaker/scorer up front for us? Right...no one.

 

I certainly cede that Giroux is one of the few dynamic players we have but his value will never be higher. He is morphing into a PP specialist right in front of our eyes....And, as others have pointed out, G will be in his early 30's by the time the Flyers will be a legitimate Cup contender (he will be 28 in January).

 

Why not really commit to a rebuild? Why not be really bad for two years instead of being maddeningly mediocre for 5? 

 

I think we could acquire top flight young prospects/draft picks, while also improving our draft position if we unload G - which would really aid in our rebuild.

 

As I posted years ago (and got slammed for it): Thank you Gomer for ushering in a very dark era.

 

 

 

Fair topic of discussion, but I'm not in favor of trying to move G right now. I mean.. of course, if there is some insane offer from someone, you'd move anyone. But, I just don't see what we could possibly get in return that we already have coming up the pike. As well, we'd then need to look for G's replacement in addition. 

 

I see what you're saying about his age and our 'win window', but early 30's might also be really good because G will be a wily veteran and should still be in his prime. I think G and Voracek still fit nicely into Hexy's 5 year plan. We'll see what happens over the next few years, but I'd like to stay the course that Hexy has charted for now. It's just gonna take time no matter how you look at it. That's the hardest part. 

[OccamsRazor]

Last year I brought up the idea of trading Giroux for the right to pick McDavid. I don't recall exactly but I think more than half were against it because Giroux already made it and McDavid was still just a maybe. I'd bet one year later there'd be a big change in that line of thinking.

 

 

I don't think it really matters because the Oilers weren't going to trade him. Mcdavid is considered a generational talent.

 

They weren't going trade a talent like that for a consolation prize because Sanguinetti was gone already!!! 

[flyercanuck]

@radoran

 

@OccamsRazor

 

Ya, it was a hypothetical discussion...not whether the Oil would do it, but whether Flyer fans would. 

[radoran]

Ya, it was a hypothetical discussion...not whether the Oil would do it, but whether Flyer fans would.

 

I would have driven him to Edmonton.

 

[murraycraven]

I would have driven him to Edmonton.

I would have provided him a gaggle of Canadian Mounties to grope....

[King Knut]

 

I think it's time to explore dealing Giroux, so why not to Nashville.

 

This is NOT a Giroux-sucks thread, rather it is a thread looking at a way to rebuild a bit quicker. It is obvious that the Flyers are seriously void in talent, and not just on the back end. In fact, with the exception of G and V, who we all agree are underperforming right now, who is a dynamic playmaker/scorer up front for us? Right...no one.

 

I certainly cede that Giroux is one of the few dynamic players we have but his value will never be higher. He is morphing into a PP specialist right in front of our eyes....And, as others have pointed out, G will be in his early 30's by the time the Flyers will be a legitimate Cup contender (he will be 28 in January).

 

Why not really commit to a rebuild? Why not be really bad for two years instead of being maddeningly mediocre for 5? 

 

I think we could acquire top flight young prospects/draft picks, while also improving our draft position if we unload G - which would really aid in our rebuild.

 

As I posted years ago (and got slammed for it): Thank you Gomer for ushering in a very dark era.

 

 

So why Nashville?  What do you want in return?  just picks? 

I'd sooner trade Jake.  His contract is starting to look like a Bryzgalov sized miscalculation.

[King Knut]

I'm not sure what else he needs to be an elite power forward... other than maybe a better team to play for (lol).

 

What that line needs most is one less pass.

 

Or a shooter to pass to.

[ruxpin]

@radoran

 

@OccamsRazor

 

Ya, it was a hypothetical discussion...not whether the Oil would do it, but whether Flyer fans would. 

 

I'm just sitting here wondering what phlfly would have thought.  I'm not sure what his opinion on Giroux is to give me any hint.

[ruxpin]

So why Nashville?  What do you want in return?  just picks? 

I'd sooner trade Jake.  His contract is starting to look like a Bryzgalov sized miscalculation.

 

Yeah.  I'd still consider Voracek if it's a possibility, but the optimal time to have done that was last year's trading deadline.

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Yeah.  I'd still consider Voracek if it's a possibility, but the optimal time to have done that was last year's trading deadline.

 

...or at the draft. I was hoping a Jake trade to St. Louis for either Shattenkirk or Pietrangelo could have been done.I know Armstrong wanted to shake up the Blues a bit and moving one of the top two defenders would have been that shake up.Personally, I think Pietrangelo would look great in orange and black.......

[canoli]

It's crazy to think of trading Voracek (barring some highway-robbery offer). This is not another Ville Leino. Voracek worked his ass off the past few years and I figure when the team starts flowing - once Hakstol's intentions (dare I say "system"?) are 2nd-nature to the skaters - in 20 or 30 more games - the Flyers' best players will again look like the Flyers' best players.

 

don't worry about Voracek or Giroux, worry about BSchenn tailing off and whether Laughton can carve out a role for himself.

[ruxpin]

It's crazy to think of trading Voracek (barring some highway-robbery offer). This is not another Ville Leino. Voracek worked his ass off the past few years and I figure when the team starts flowing - once Hakstol's intentions (dare I say "system"?) are 2nd-nature to the skaters - in 20 or 30 more games - the Flyers' best players will again look like the Flyers' best players.

don't worry about Voracek or Giroux, worry about BSchenn tailing off and whether Laughton can carve out a role for himself.

Wisdom

[OccamsRazor]

When was the last time a team traded a #1 center really??

 

Boston twice???

 

Seguin and Thornton???

 

Better chance to trade Jake i think.

[brelic]

When was the last time a team traded a #1 center really??

 

Boston twice???

 

Seguin and Thornton???

 

Better chance to trade Jake i think.

 

How did that workout for Boston?

 

Here's an analysis of the Thornton trade: http://thehockeywriters.com/tuesday-trade-review-thornton-to-san-jose/

They won a Cup six years later, but it wasn't because of that trade or any kind of rebuilding pieces they got in return.

 

And Seguin, well, that's a just a head scratcher. It is Homerian in its idiocy and short-sightedness.

 

I just can't get on board with trading Giroux. 

[OccamsRazor]

And Seguin, well, that's a just a head scratcher. It is Homerian in its idiocy and short-sightedness.

 

Yes but at least they did it after winning a Cup...so not as bad....right.

 

And Boston got their goaltender from the Leafs to win the Cup...for Raycroft....yikes!

[OccamsRazor]

How did that workout for Boston?

 

Here's an analysis of the Thornton trade: http://thehockeywriters.com/tuesday-trade-review-thornton-to-san-jose/

They won a Cup six years later, but it wasn't because of that trade or any kind of rebuilding pieces they got in return.

 

And Seguin, well, that's a just a head scratcher. It is Homerian in its idiocy and short-sightedness.

 

I just can't get on board with trading Giroux. 

 

 

Maybe Flyers should trade for Joffrey Lupul to play LW with G and Jake..............

 

...i'd do it but Vinny would have to be going the other way!!

 

Oh wait...i have to rethink that JL is suppose to earn 5.25 the next 3.........nevermind forget that.

[caluso]

So why Nashville?  What do you want in return?  just picks? 

I'd sooner trade Jake.  His contract is starting to look like a Bryzgalov sized miscalculation.

i chose Nashville because I am hoping that Lavi-Left-wing still has a thing for G

[caluso]

It's crazy to think of trading Voracek (barring some highway-robbery offer). This is not another Ville Leino. Voracek worked his ass off the past few years and I figure when the team starts flowing - once Hakstol's intentions (dare I say "system"?) are 2nd-nature to the skaters - in 20 or 30 more games - the Flyers' best players will again look like the Flyers' best players.

 

don't worry about Voracek or Giroux, worry about BSchenn tailing off and whether Laughton can carve out a role for himself.

AGREED

[JJMason33]

How did that workout for Boston?

 

Here's an analysis of the Thornton trade: http://thehockeywriters.com/tuesday-trade-review-thornton-to-san-jose/

They won a Cup six years later, but it wasn't because of that trade or any kind of rebuilding pieces they got in return.

 

And Seguin, well, that's a just a head scratcher. It is Homerian in its idiocy and short-sightedness.

 

I just can't get on board with trading Giroux. 

 

Yea, I can't either.  The truth is you can't win with just a group of recently drafted players.  One of the reasons Edmonton struggled so much in their rebuild is that they didn't have guys like Giroux and Voracek to bring along up and coming stars.  By the time the next few seasons forward draft picks are ready, Giroux will still be a top 25 player in the league... Voracek as well.  They may not be top 10-15 guys anymore, but what they will bring in leadership, mentoring and competitiveness is more then you can possible count on just by getting a few more young players and picks.

 

The problem with this team is bottom 6 depth along with defense.  The Defense is already in the fix.  But what we need to do is move all our expiring contracts at the deadline.  Package Luke and Brayden Schenn.  I know you can at least get a 1st rounder for them.  Send Medvedev off.  We should be able to get more than we got for Timonen. I would also kick bricks on Gudas.  All these guys can be replaced by our up and coming defenseman, cheaper and they can bring in some draft picks.  Also Sam Gagner should be able to get you a decent return, and I would consider trading Neuvirth to a team that gets a goalie injury in the stretch drive.

 

This is how you rebuild.  Not by trading Giroux and Voracek, but by keeping your firsts, maybe picking up a second (Schenns) and stacking up a bunch of 2nd and 3rds and hope you land someone like Duclair or being able to package them to move up in the first like we did last year.

 

Then you give it 2-3 seasons for our Defense to learn-gel and our young offensive learn to be supporting role guys (like Giroux and JVR in 2010) and you sign the key UFA's you need to fill any gaps.

[jammer2]

@JJMason33   re Thornton trade...Loui Erickson has been a major disappointment, oddly enough the saving grace of the deal was Riley Smith, now traded to the Panthers for Hayes....I'm thinking that deal was cap related, cause even though Hayes has some upside, I dont think he's better than Smith.