flyercanuck Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Giroux just became the first player of this decade to hit 400 points. Since 2010 he has the most single point games as well as the most multi-point games. He is suk. If only the Flyers had a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @flyercanuck Well he did loose the last fight he was in and it is glaringly obvious that the Flyers need a "tough fighter"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 "Best Player in the World" - as quoted by Nashville's coach. ...now only if he could have scored more shootout goals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @flyercanuckTrade him now his value will be no higher!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think we should send Giroux to the minors and bring up Rosehill. I think he has those intangibles we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 You know what would be nice to see along with all these fabulous points? Playoff rounds. As in "averaging more than one a year" over that time period - or more than one in the last three years for that matter... Obviously that's not all on Giroux (#homercoaster ), but it does show that having a big "points" guy doesn't necessarily make a successful hockey team. You know what's also nice? Goals. When do they raise the "first to 400 points this decade" banner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briere48 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @flyercanuckTrade him now his value will be no higher!!! just for a sake of it, would you trade giroux for Austin Matthews if the flyers didnt tank enough for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 He is and has been an elite player.Not the best in the world, but a guy i want on my team and would build around. He shows up in the playoffs when he's had the opportunity, as @radoran says he needs some other guys to help get him there. I don't know why rad you can't simply recognize he's a good player without always having a "yeah but..." . not that your exceptions lack validity, they have their merits. I find the the omnipresent exceptions whenever there's a positive statement exhausting, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 just for a sake of it, would you trade giroux for Austin Matthews if the flyers didnt tank enough for him?No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 just for a sake of it, would you trade giroux for Austin Matthews if the flyers didnt tank enough for him?No why would you give up a proven for an unproven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I don't know why rad you can't simply recognize he's a good player without always having a "yeah but..." . not that your exceptions lack validity, they have their merits. I find the the omnipresent exceptions whenever there's a positive statement exhausting, Quite frankly, I find the need to point out utterly meaningless statistical achievements somewhat exhausting, myself. I do recognize he's a good player. But if something's going to be put out there for discussion it really shouldn't be expected that the only response will be "hooray!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 One of the best players in the game.... He's in the tier of Nicklas Backstrom, Steven Stamkos and John Tavares imo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 just for a sake of it, would you trade giroux for Austin Matthews if the flyers didnt tank enough for him?No, that would just regress this team by a few years. Giroux is an established player and will be for probably another seven to eight years. Auston Matthews has yet to play an NHL game. And this team is not bad enough to be in the Matthews sweepstakes. Also, imagine the lynch mob that will come out when they are even worse for years to come while they wait for their coveted prospect to join the big leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @radoranSo highest scoring player of the decade is meaningless ? I know we're still kind of in the middle, if not he exact middle, of said decade so a lot can happen in the second half, he could get hit by a bus, fall off a cliff, he could MacDonald. But to summarily dismiss the player with the most points this decade as a meaningless statistical achievement kills the joy of that information. It unnecessarily dampens one of the few bright spots that the team I follow and have followed for over 30 years has currently. I recognize this is a discussion board, maybe sometimes you could just just skip a conversation and let a couple of guys enjoy a good thing instead of telling them why it actually sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 How many cups has he won......... trade him now his value will never be higher..... !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @flyercanuckWell he did loose the last fight he was in and it is glaringly obvious that the Flyers need a "tough fighter"..... Did someone actually say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 You know what would be nice to see along with all these fabulous points? Playoff rounds. As in "averaging more than one a year" over that time period - or more than one in the last three years for that matter... Obviously that's not all on Giroux (#homercoaster ), but it does show that having a big "points" guy doesn't necessarily make a successful hockey team. You know what's also nice? Goals. When do they raise the "first to 400 points this decade" banner? Playoffs would be nice.A cup even better. Giroux is about the last guy on the team I blame for them NOT being there though. I'd love for Giroux to score more. Or anyone else on the Flyers for that matter. As it stands right now Giroux is 2 goals behind Malkin, 1 behind Jeff Carter. And a whopping 3 behind worlds greatest goal scorer Alex Ovechkin. 1 behind Stamkos. 2 behind Tavares. Tied with Corey Perry. Ahead of Phil Kessel. How many playoff teams have a worse defence than Philly? Or Michael Raffl as your top LW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @radoran how about lets not hold Giroux culpable for any of the incompetence that is the flyers.. He's been among the elite since 2010. Let the folks here have something to enjoy, because quite frankly there ain't much to celebrate when it comes to the current flyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 @JagerMeister They aren't wearing Cooperalls...so we got that going for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Quite frankly, I find the need to point out utterly meaningless statistical achievements somewhat exhausting, myself.I do recognize he's a good player.But if something's going to be put out there for discussion it really shouldn't be expected that the only response will be "hooray!" Giroux has his faults, but so does every player. I think he is a top 5-10 player in the league. Points is the most important stat in the league. Either you scored a goal or you made a play for one of your teammates to score a goal. Without points, you win 0 games.Now if we were praising him for his corsi numbers, Id join in with you. Corsi is a useless stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @icehole I wouldnt rank him that high. Definitely a top 10 forward. Likely a top 5 forward as well. Besides, isn't Giroux competent defensively? He certainly isn't a liability in that aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Did someone actually say that?No directly, but there is one that thinks this team is missing that 70's luster and a degree of tough-fighter83-ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 No directly, but there is one that thinks this team is missing that 70's luster and a degree of tough-fighter83-ness.Well, if someone ever said that this team needs a fighter more than a Giroux, they have no sense. Id like to talk to this person.I'll be straight up with you...I think this team needs more toughness or 70s luster as you refer to it. Dont misunderstand me though, I dont want to replace our star players with tough guys, but rather add toughness to our 3rd and fourth lines.I hope you didnt misunderstand the guy that wants a fighter instead of Giroux...did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 @icehole In fairness, I think the guy he's referring to changes what he thinks the Flyers need on a weekly basis. Or daily, depending on how regular he posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 @flyercanuckI dont know who he's talking about so I dont know exactly what was said. In my own experience though, as soon as I say "this team isnt tough enough", people take it too far. "Yeah...lets get Rosie in for Giroux" or "typical flyers fan...always wants to goon it up". Why does it have to be skill or toughness? Why does a tough guy have to be a goon?I think most cup contenders have a nice balance of skill and toughness. Good flyers teams had their share of tough players. Rosehill is not the answer but Id take anyone from the islanders fourth line over vandevelde. Id also sacrifice a little skill to replace couturier with a tougher version (sacrifice skill and couturier should not be in the same sentence).The most successful and fun flyers teams also racked up the most PIMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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