jkearse123 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 http://973espn.com/darren-dreger-this-is-paul-holmgren-at-his-finest-podacast/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @jkearse123 It was confirmed when he signed Holmgrens offersheet. He said he'd stay if they kept their players. They haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Burnside reporting that an NMC/NTC kicks in July 1 of next year. http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8181363/nashville-predators-clear-choice-shea-weber-offer-sheetMakes sense, hamstring the Preds with his contract if they match all the more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Burnside reporting that an NMC/NTC kicks in July 1 of next year. http://espn.go.com/n...ber-offer-sheetMakes sense, hamstring the Preds with his contract if they match all the more.Wow! Man, there is no way they match that offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Burnside reporting that an NMC/NTC kicks in July 1 of next year. http://espn.go.com/n...ber-offer-sheetMakes sense, hamstring the Preds with his contract if they match all the more.fwiw cindy baicker CSN says there is NOT a NTC anywhere in the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @flyercanuck@flyerrodYeah I hear you both but sooner or later screwing other GM's will come back to bite you. They're not all gonna just take it. As for all the other comments here, some have pointed out pretty good points... One being will the NHL approve such a loaded contract? As for those saying Weber is the best defenseman in the league, and some even saying of all time... He's a great defensive defenseman in today's game. He would clearly be a great signing for your team. I dunno about if all time, that has to be proven a long ways from now. That contract is a huge term as well... I love how Weber plays the game, but I wouldn't make the offer your GM has made. He's not a Crosby, Parise, Toews, or Stamkos. He's a solid physical defenseman absolutely... But just like I said about Suter... This is just crazy talk. I wouldn't pay this for Letang and I'd rather have Letang than Weber, but that's my value system not everyone's obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinorama Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Couturier AND the Schenns? I'd much rather give up 4-1sts.I as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @Polaris9222012-13: $10 million signing bonus, $2 million base salary2013-14: $10 million signing bonus, $2 million base salary2014-15: $5 million signing bonus, $6 million base salary2015-16: $9 million base salary2016-17: $9 million base salary2017-18: $9 million base salary2018-19: $9 million base salary2019-20: $9 million base salary2020-21: $8 million base salary2021-22: $6 million base salary2022-23: $2 million base salary2023-24: $1 million base salary2024-25: $1 million base salaryNumbers are different, but the structure is basically the same. If they were to void this deal, they'd have a hard time not voiding Parise's and Suter's, as well. It's fewer year's than Ilya's second deal, and it ends when Weber is younger. Don't really see much the NHL could use to void it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinorama Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 fwiw cindy baicker CSN says there is NOT a NTC anywhere in the contractWHAT!?!?! I don't believe it! thank god! (last statement is predicated on him donning the O&B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I wouldn't pay this for Letang and I'd rather have Letang than Weber, but that's my value system not everyone's obviously.You can't be serious.Letang is a good player, but he might not even be in my top 5 of d-men in the NHL right now.Weber is numero uno. And I bet most GM's in the NHL feel the exact same way. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @Polaris9222012-13: $10 million signing bonus, $2 million base salary2013-14: $10 million signing bonus, $2 million base salary2014-15: $5 million signing bonus, $6 million base salary2015-16: $9 million base salary2016-17: $9 million base salary2017-18: $9 million base salary2018-19: $9 million base salary2019-20: $9 million base salary2020-21: $8 million base salary2021-22: $6 million base salary2022-23: $2 million base salary2023-24: $1 million base salary2024-25: $1 million base salaryNumbers are different, but the structure is basically the same. If they were to void this deal, they'd have a hard time not voiding Parise's and Suter's, as well. It's fewer year's than Ilya's second deal, and it ends when Weber is younger. Don't really see much the NHL could use to void it.Difference is those were UNRESTRICTED free agents. I don't know if it will matter, I'm just interested to see if the league tries to protect the smaller market in an RFA situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) You can't be serious.Letang is a good player, but he might not even be in my top 5 of d-men in the NHL right now.Weber is numero uno. And I bet most GM's in the NHL feel the exact same way.Actually I'm quite serious. His loss has a greater impact on the Pens than Crosby or Malkin in terms of win/loss. And if he's not in your top 5 you probably look solely at defensive stability and not as much value in offensive abilities. Weber is definitely top dog on the physical or defensive angle, I don't argue that, but the role of the defenseman was rewritten decades ago. There is room and need for both. I love Weber, I just don't know that he's worth that kind of cash as a purely defensive defenseman. There are a lot of unheralded defense first guys not that far behind him getting paid WAY less.Of course... He did have 10 PP goals... So he's a monster there for you. I dunno... That's just more than I'd pay for any D in the game currently. Edited July 19, 2012 by Polaris922 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @Polaris922Purely defensive? Weber had 19 goals and 49 points last season, one fewer than Letang's best offensive year (Though Letang was on a much better pace last season)In the last 4 years, Wever has put up point totals of 53 - 43 - 48 - 49. Overall he ranked 9 -17 - 10 - 6 in points by a defenseman. I don't get how that doesn't qualify him as at least an excellent two way defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Sounds like sour grapes to me. I hope Nashville doesn't match. If the league wants to hate on Philly, lets at least give them a good reason to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The odds of Crosby playing a full career just went from 50 to 40 with this signing. Playing Weber every time he steps on the ice, for all regular season, pre-season, playoffs will inevitably take it's toll on Sid. Only a matter of time till he smashs that mush head for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) @flyercanuck@flyerrodYeah I hear you both but sooner or later screwing other GM's will come back to bite you. They're not all gonna just take it. As for all the other comments here, some have pointed out pretty good points... One being will the NHL approve such a loaded contract? As for those saying Weber is the best defenseman in the league, and some even saying of all time... He's a great defensive defenseman in today's game. He would clearly be a great signing for your team. I dunno about if all time, that has to be proven a long ways from now. That contract is a huge term as well... I love how Weber plays the game, but I wouldn't make the offer your GM has made. He's not a Crosby, Parise, Toews, or Stamkos. He's a solid physical defenseman absolutely... But just like I said about Suter... This is just crazy talk. I wouldn't pay this for Letang and I'd rather have Letang than Weber, but that's my value system not everyone's obviously.Really a "defensive defenseman" that scored 19 goals last year huh?Lehtang barely scored half of that!Well lets just say your definition and mine aren't the same!!!!!Hell our offensive defenseman can't even score half that total... Edited July 19, 2012 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 The odds of Crosby playing a full career just went from 50 to 40 with this signing. Playing Weber every time he steps on the ice, for all regular season, pre-season, playoffs will inevitably take it's toll on Sid. Only a matter of time till he smashs that mush head for good.Good point and Coots is already in Malkin's head and taken him out the equation and Staal is no where to be found anymore......someone will land Crosby as a depends endorsement next year i'm sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @OccamsRazor How do you think Sid feels about playing Weber every minute he steps on the ice for Pens vs Flyers? Probably about 8 or 9 times a year (more if they play in the playoffs)...ha ha...he can't be to happy at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @flyercanuck@flyerrodYeah I hear you both but sooner or later screwing other GM's will come back to bite you. They're not all gonna just take it. As for all the other comments here, some have pointed out pretty good points... One being will the NHL approve such a loaded contract? As for those saying Weber is the best defenseman in the league, and some even saying of all time... He's a great defensive defenseman in today's game. He would clearly be a great signing for your team. I dunno about if all time, that has to be proven a long ways from now. That contract is a huge term as well... I love how Weber plays the game, but I wouldn't make the offer your GM has made. He's not a Crosby, Parise, Toews, or Stamkos. He's a solid physical defenseman absolutely... But just like I said about Suter... This is just crazy talk. I wouldn't pay this for Letang and I'd rather have Letang than Weber, but that's my value system not everyone's obviously. Huh? You'd raher have Letang than Weber? LMAO! I thought you were serious there for a second. And who's saying Weber is the best of alltime? I haven't heard anyone say that. I'd say he's the best there is right now. And you make it sound like he's all D. The guy has a cannon of a shot. He's put up better numbers than Letang over his career. And he doesn't get all those bonus points playing with Crosby and Malkin on the pp. Letang is a good defenceman,,don't get me wrong. But Weber is a great one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @OccamsRazor How do you think Sid feels about playing Weber every minute he steps on the ice for Pens vs Flyers? Probably about 8 or 9 times a year (more if they play in the playoffs)...ha ha...he can't be to happy at all!I can see Crysby getting a case of the Philly flu in some games this season....or maybe mysterious concussion symptoms before game time...i also assume they would bestow him with the Captaincy upon arrival to squash all the talk before hand????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 @flyercanuck Agreed, Weber is just superior to Letang in every way. Letang has put up more than 42 points only once. Weber has done it every year for the last 4. Weber is already outscoring Letang...imagine if he had Crosby, Malkin, Stall etc to work with?? Letang is no where near the intimidating force Weber is on the ice....in a fight, Weber would kick his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Huh? You'd raher have Letang than Weber? LMAO! I thought you were serious there for a second.And who's saying Weber is the best of alltime? I haven't heard anyone say that. I'd say he's the best there is right now. And you make it sound like he's all D. The guy has a cannon of a shot. He's put up better numbers than Letang over his career. And he doesn't get all those bonus points playing with Crosby and Malkin on the pp. Letang is a good defenceman,,don't get me wrong. But Weber is a great one.Webber's best season he scored 23 goals not to shabby for a "defensive defenseman" like Polaris claims...Lehtang's best season is 10!!!!!HAHAHAHA!He'll never admit it but you he (Polaris) is praying Nashville matches that offer......either way i believe Weber after seeing them let his defensive partner go has had enough in Nashville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 in a fight, Weber would kick his ass. I highly doubt it. Letang would dive faster than ever before. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 the more I think about it, I can't see the Preds matching. If they match and there is a lockout, the franchise would collapse. There is no way they could pay out $26 million with ZERO revenue stream. (at least from what their financial evaluation seems to be). They have always run the team with a serious dose of prudence....never spashing the cash.and if a financial institution did loan them the money....the interest rate would be double digits considering the chance of a lockout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 the more I think about it, I can't see the Preds matching. If they match and there is a lockout, the franchise would collapse. There is no way they could pay out $26 million with ZERO revenue stream. (at least from what their financial evaluation seems to be). They have always run the team with a serious dose of prudence....never spashing the cash.and if a financial institution did loan them the money....the interest rate would be double digits considering the chance of a lockout.In hind sight i guess they should have give Weber the 7mill over 3 years instead of arbitration......would have saved them some of the heartache they are going through today......they screwed the pooch on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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