pilldoc Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Yes, it is that time every spring were we, the armchair GM's of this board, get to play GM. As disheartening as it was to lose last night, most of us on here recognize the serious deficiency's this team has. Along that note, many on here also realize this team was not built for a SCF run this year. So the primary goal of this thread is to:Figure out what went wrong this year How to fix this team moving forward (aka...what moves would you do) What were the bright spots during the season?What were some of the bright spots this year?First the good news! We found a goaltender. Mason, simply put, was a bright spot this season. Yeah, there were some rough patches, but during the last 2 games of the playoffs, Mason is what the kept the Flyers in the game. Also, after a rough start, I think I really like Berube as a coach. It seems that, for at least the time being, that this team responds to him. Giroux was 3rd this in points. I think he is slowly but surely learning how to be a NHL captain. (I still think he was given the C to early, but that has been discussed ad nauseam in another thread.)This team had either 7 or 8 players that scored 20+ goals. It was also astutely pointed out that the majority of these goals were scored via the PP.Acquiring MacDonald? He seemed to steady the defense a bit. At best a 2nd pair D-man.There was a bright spot when during the stretch right before and right after the Olympic break, they were skating with and beating some of the top teams. Where did that team go?There is a core of players here for which to build around. (G, Jake, Simmer, Coots) But is it enough?There appears to be help on the way for the defense in the form of Ghost, Morin, Haag, Alt. How they develop at the NHL level is yet to be seen.Raffl appears to be a diamond in the rough. I love this kids energy. For the most part played very well when called upon.Akeson? Another diamond in the rough? So what went wrong this year? For starters, the horrendous start to season has a big fat bulls-eye for most of us. You simply CANNOT start the season at 4-10-1. That alone cost the Flyers valuable points. Now was this due because of an absolutely brutal training camp or were the players simply tuning out Lavy and then had to learn to adjust/learn a new system under Berube aka "The Chief"?Giroux! He got off to an absolute putrid start. Yes, I know he rebounded and was playing very well near the end of the season. However, as has been discussed before in other threads, as Giroux goes, so goes the Flyers. At times this team did step it up when Giroux went AWOL in the scoring department and at times they did respond. This simply cannot happen.Blue Line - Blue Line - Blue Line - Blue Line! Have I said it enough. Where to begin? Kimmo, love the guy, but he has seriously lost a step. Coburn, had a decent season, but was absolutely brutal during the PO. L. Schenn? Ok I think most of agree he is a failed project. When he puts forth the effort he is a decent player, BUT the keep concept is when he puts forth the effort. Streit? Better than I thought but he is 35+. Grossman / Gus. At best 2nd and 3rd parings. Gil? Why the hell was he even on the team? Too old and too slow and sat in the booth most of the time getting beer and peanuts for Homer/Snider. MacDonald. The defense seemed to be better when he arrived and Mez was shipped out.. This team simply does not have a top pair D-man tandem.For whatever reason, this team forgets how to skate.Turnovers! Especially during the PO. The amount of TO this team produces is sickening. Constantly giving the other team more time in the zone.Penalties! This team takes way too many stupid penalties.VLC. Again I digress. Why was he brought here? This was the WRONG signing for this team. So now for the fun part....the crux of this thread. How to fix these issues and what moves as GM do you make? For starters ....who do you keep?Forwards: Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, B. Schenn (move him?), Couturier, Raffl, Read, Rinaldo, Akeson, Hartnell (sadly because of that contract, there is no way to move him), Lecavalier (see note on Hartnell)Defenseman: Coburn (he was a liability during the Po, but you can't get rid of everyone at once), Streit, MacDonald, Grossman, GustafssonGoalie: MasonShow them the door: Gil, Downine, Rosehill, Timonen (look I love the guy, but his time has passed)On the fence: Emery, Hall, McGinn, L. Schenn Contract wise. B. Schenn is a RFA, do you tender him an offer, or do you let him test the market and see what type of compensation you get for him. Resign Akeson.Do you resign Emery? or do you give Heeter a chance in training camp to win the 2nd spot? or Stolarz?Resign Hall? UFA for Next Year:Vanek (MTL) - I think he is the only one I would target. He might be able to give you a 2nd legit playmaker to take some of the pressure off of Giroux.I did not like any of the D-Man UFA's.Line Combos: Forwards:Raffl - Giroux - VoracekVanek - VLC - SimmondsAkeson - Couturier - ReadHartnell - Laughton - RinaldoYes, move Hartnell down if we move B. Schenn and acquire Vanek. Bring up Laughton. Have McGinn as extra.Thinking outside the box, what if you move VLC back down to the 4th line, move Coots to 2nd. Could Coots play with Vanek and Simmer? Also, do you think Laughton could play 3rd line center or would it be too much responsibility? Like I said, just thinking outside the box here. Blue Line: (this is where it gets dicey)Coburn - L. Schenn (yeah I know, not a true top paring but that is all we have if we let Kimmo walk, also see if you can move Schenn)Streit - Lauridsen (so he can learn from Streit - bring the kid up - let him learn at the NHL level now)Grossman - MacDonaldExtra: Gus / Ghost (give him a chance to make the team. He probably won't but then he will be in the AHL)Give Morin and Haag a shot to see what they can contribute, but still a year or two away. Alt a 1st call up? Goalies:MasonEmery (if you resign him)Heeter or Stolarz to fightout back-up if Emery not resignedBottom line this team will probably make the playoffs again next year, but is still a year or tow away from a serious cup run. Try to move Harnell / LVC / B. Schenn if possible. I know with the contracts of Hartnell and LVC, that will be damm near impossible. While your at it, see if you can move L. Schenn too. Management : Time to hand the reigns from Homer to Hexy. Sorry, Homer, you might be able to find talent, but you don't know how to manage the cap and contracts very well. Anyway...those are my thought for now. I have the right to change my mind! Let's hear yours........... Edited May 1, 2014 by pilldoc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Harnell / LVC / B. Schenn Heard someone refer to them, if they were put on the same line, as the "Legion of Gloom" Great post..agree with most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Harnell / LVC / B. Schenn Heard someone refer to them, if they were put on the same line, as the "Legion of Gloom" Great post..agree with most of it. LOL...Legion of Gloom ...LOLthanks for the chuckle...however...as sad as it seems...pretty true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Well, that was one hell of a post PILL. Can't say I disagree on much of any of it, if at all. I just think we need to play the kids more next year. I'm NOT talking about a rebuild, just get youth and speed, especially on the Blue Line. The ONLY way we can get Vanek is if we can get someone (anyone) to take either Harts or VLC's contract from us, which is a pipe dream.. Yes, it is time for Hexy to take over. Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Raffl is not a 1st line player. I like the guy and hope to God he doesn't fizzle out after a nice surprise of a season, and I really believe a good role player is important (especially if you can get them young), but that delusion needs to stop. Berube needs to stop putting him with Giroux and fans need to stop thinking he belongs there. He doesn't. I think you could have a really nice 3rd and 4th lines if you spread out Couturier, Read, Raffle, and Akeson (who absolutely makes this team until he proves he doesn't belong there) if I'm in charge. Could Couturier play with Simmonds and Vanek? Absolutely not. As good as he is in so many areas of the game, his offense is downright non-existent at times. He had 0 points in the playoffs. 0. This after he went 20 something games without a goal and something like 2 assists in that time span. Love him as a role player, but he has no offensive game. 1st thing I do if I'm the GM is sit down with the coach and tell him to stop juggling the God damn lines so much. Raffl, Vinny, and Schenn were bounced around - not only on different lines, but positions - so much, it's no wonder some of these guys can't develop any consistency. The team's biggest needs are defense and a 1st line winger. They ideally need a few defensemen, but let's be real, it'll be hard to get just 1. Plus, if you get one that's good enough, they can make up for a lot. Pronger took a team that only played half the time, and had a Cinderella story goalie, to the Cup. There aren't enough words to describe that kind of importance a player like that has to a team. If they only do one more this off season, this should be it. And when I say defenseman, I mean a guy who can actually play defense. I don't want any more of these "good in the transition game" type of guys. If we can a guy that has good offense, great, but he needs to be capable in his own end first. Voracek and Simmonds could arguably be Giroux's linemates, but I'd like to spread the wealth a little and keep Simmonds on the 2nd line. I'd love to see a big body on the 1st line with Giroux and Voracek.Speaking of size, this team is a little small. They got bullied by the Rangers. Ideally, you address that too. I wouldn't bother with Rinaldo. They don't play him when it matters anyway. I'd rather try and fill out the 4th line with guys like Couturier, Raffl, or even Akeson. Hell, I'd take Hall over Rinaldo. I would resign Timonen for a year if he was willing to play for less and they realized he'd be best as a 4-6. I would move Coburn and Schenn, but I don't think that's going to happen. Laughton, Ghost, Heeter, and all these other kids names being tossed around are not the answer. This team needs some veterans. Fill in the roster with those kids (if they even make it) over the next several years, but the last thing this team needs is more inexperience. Giroux and Mason need some help, not more guys that can't help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I just think we need to play the kids more next year. I'm NOT talking about a rebuild, just get youth and speed, especially on the Blue Line. That is what I wanted this year! However, there are some on here that argued against that train of thought. Don't get me wrong it was nice to make the playoffs, but I knew this team simply was not built for a long run yet. with hindsight being 20/20, maybe it was a good thing we were matched up with the Rags instead of the Pens. We all wanted the Pens and knew we matched up well with them. Also we have done very well against them the past 2 or 3 years. What would have been proven if we did play the Pens in the 1st round and won. That we can beat the Pens? We know we can do that. It is how you play against teams you don't match up well with or have a hard time beating that is worth using as a measuring stick IMO. The Rags simply exposed what our weaknesses are. Nothing wrong with that. I just did not like HOW we lost by not skating for a full 60 minutes. Sometimes teams just have to go through growing pains. Bottom line, I agree, gets faster on blue line and play the kids. If the kids pan out, the future does look bright with the likes of Ghost / Morin / Haag / Alt. Edited May 1, 2014 by pilldoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'll give it a go Doc. Everything below doesn't consider NTC/NMC. You can make players WANT a trade. Available for trades for picks, decent return or let walk if at all possible: Hartnell, VLC, Timonen** (see below)Available for only the right return: Hall, Rinaldo, 1 of either B.Schenn or Laughton, 1 of either Akeson, Raffl, McGinn or Read (have to give to get)Keep: Giroux, Jake, Simmonds, Couturier, Coburn, MacD, Streit, Mason Needs in order of importance:1) First line left winger. Power forward with play making ability. Young & fast. I know it's asking for a lot and Homer will have to give up a lot to get this but it's been said over and over again: As Giroux goes, the Flyers go. Get him a young stud winger that can make plays and finish, and watch that line flurish for the next 5-10 years. Use either B.Schenn or Laughton as your center piece and fill in the holes with Read/Akeson/Raffl/McGinn, prospect or picks to get this done. The role players (Raffl/Akeson...) are NOT the long term answer. B. Schenn is young. Let's not forget that when fans yell for him to be traded. He is just 22 years old. However, Laughton is ready now. B.Schenn or Laughton need to be moved to get that first line winger. It's decision time and it's going to hurt either way but the Flyers are flush with centers as usual and now is the time to get this done. 2) Defense. We have a lot of young dmen that are going to start coming into the NHL in the next 1-4 years. GrossmanN, Coburn, MacD, Streit, Schenn plus one or two of the young guys is okay to start the season with. Lots of young guys coming up and you have to make space for them even if it means you have a hole or two for a little while. If Timonen wants to play another year, he needs to not sign until the trade deadline and come back at minimum salary. He can't play full season plus playoffs any more. Adding him at the trade deadline will allow him to get into game shape and ready for the playoffs but keep him fresh and ready. Gustafsson. They need to **** or get off the pot with him. Either play him or trade him. He is wasting away serving popcorn. 3) Goalie.Mason starts and Heeter is your backup. Stolarz is waiting for when Heeter fails. That's all I would do to this team this year. It's an extremely young team with even younger quality propects coming up in the next few years. Let them meld together for a change. Let them learn together. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 @Digityman Solid plan...I'll take it. (now if moving Hartnell and VLC would only be that easy) Seriously I totally agree. This team needs a serious winger for Giroux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnumpi Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 id see if someone overbids on Schenn He's never going to be an impact player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'd start by trying to move VLC at any cost. He does not fit anything this team needs. I'd qualify Schenn, but nowhere near where he'd like to be. Couturier is fine but needs a better winger to play with him. I'd move Read off that line and try him with Simmer and Schenn. I'd try and trade for an actual sniper to play with Giroux. Defense is what it is and it's not going anywhere since they all basically are locked in for life.. grrrr Emery has done what has been asked of him, and I'd seriously evaluate Heeter next season. Mason is a breath of fresh air. He is what this team has been missing for years. I'd hate to dog VLC, but he just does not fit at all on this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Yes, it is that time every spring were we, the armchair GM's of this board, get to play GM. TRADE ALL THINGS!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry just don't feel like this topic today i will come around but don't let me ruin everyone elses fun. I'll jump in later.... Edited May 1, 2014 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Ok i'll play i found this i didn't create it but i like it a lot is it possible not sure but its a good start on paper...so here goes... FORWARDSMatt Moulson ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.250m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m)Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) DEFENSEMENMatt Niskanen ($6.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)Robert Hagg ($0.925m) GOALTENDERSSteve Mason ($4.100m)Chad Johnson ($0.600m)BUYOUTSDaniel Briere ($0.000m)Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)LTIRChris Pronger ($4.941m)RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%) Ok what say you....like i said a lot i'm not sure is possible but its a start!!!!! Edited May 1, 2014 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) We need to become more mobile on the blue line, so that means making some changes there and we need a top line winger, a finisher with a stone cold killer heart like that little Danny Briere whom I know was a C but that little bastard could find the back of the net. I would be fine in moving one of our young centerman to return a young defensman, B Schenn and a pick for Seth Jones ? I would be looking for teams that are anemic offensively that need some forward help and have some prospects on defense. PHX and NSH come to mind readily.Too bad Dale Tallon is in Florida they have some pieces that might fit here, but he's too shrewd to do something borderline stupid. and I that's what I think we need , we need a Coburn for a month of zhitnik or Hartnell and Timmonen for Footpa, if we can swing something like that then see you later young centerpiece centerman. Laughton is vapor. he has had one ... one mega productive year in jr, as an overage player. For those banking on him stepping into the NHL and becoming the second coming of Mike Richards quit hogging the pot, he will experience growing pains and people will be pining for whomever we traded away as they will now be the best thing ever, while we're stuck with him. i think small moves can make the team better, Niskanen from Pgh might be workable, a trade for a young blue chip defensive prospect, and let Hagg, Ghotisbehere Alt and Morin see some NHL time and things might be better. Our overall lack of speed and poise from the defense corp was hard to take especially when playing teams like CBJ and NYR, anything that can be done to help our "quicks" would be welcome. Edited May 1, 2014 by mojo1917 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 B Schenn and a pick for Seth Jonesha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 The 1st decision that needs to be made is what is the goal of this franchise. To me it appears that the goal each year is to limp into the playoffs, get a couple of home gate receipts, draft poorly and repeat. Then July 1st sign the biggest, slowest UFAs and repeat. If the goal is to win the Stanley Cup then there needs to be a serious shift in the culture in Flyerland. Right now it is a country club for ex Flyers with no accountability on anyone but the coach. How else do you explain getting outshot 18-5 in the 2nd period of GAME FREAKING 7. There needs to be an expectation of excellence, effort, respect, team work and commitment, by the players, the coaches, the GM, the scouts and the owner. I don't see it at any level right now. As for the players on the current roster, they are really not as bad as we all think, they just don't support each other on the ice as well as needed. They do skate without the puck, they do not work to be available to a teammate in trouble, they do not play as a five man unit. Boston, Chicago, Detroit, these are the systems that work, no dead wood, no laziness. Keep all the kids, give them one more year to develop and grow up, but gas all the 30plus slow movers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) RFAs: Schenn, Brayden - Trade McGinn, Tye -walk Akeson, Jason -resign Gustafsson, Erik -resign Heeter, Cal -resign Flanagan, Kyle -resign Konan, Matthew -walk Brown, Tyler -walk Manning, Brandon-resign Bourdon, M.-walk Eddy, Cullen -walk Hostetter, Tyler -walk UFAs: Hall, Adam -resign Downie, Steve -walk Timonen, Kimmo -resign Gill, Ha l-walk Emery, Ray -walk Gervais, Bruno -walk Danis, Yann -walk Newbury, Kris -walk Holmstrom, Ben- resign VandeVelde, Chris -walk Just a quick rough over view with no money or cost laid out. Edited May 1, 2014 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Trade for Shea Weber. Bring on the Cup. You know that's Homer's plan, right? I'm all for it as long as someone will take VLC & Hartnell in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blocker Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Flyers could use my boy Z. Buffalo stunk with him in or out of the lineup, but as Ted Nolan repeated often, he brought life to that team. Drive and enthusiasm are essential building blocks for contenders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 <grunch= haven't read most of the thread> I'm gonna go after Matt Moulson in FA to wing our Top line. $5m AAV-ish? Only other F moves are to re-sign Akeson to short deal $900k? Schenn re-sign short as possible for about $2m AAV. All other's walk. VLC or Hartnell need to go. One of them has to go to make my moves. I'm letting Timo retire(or whatever) and bringing up Ghost. I'm totally gonna dick over Pitt by overpaying for Niskanen. I think he'd be a good $$$ gamble though. $5m for Nisk. btw, Pitt is in for a world of hurt after this season with all their $$ committed and UFA's, just to fill the F position will be interesting. They can't afford Orpik AND Niskanen, IMO... so we 'steal' Nisk by offering more than Pitt can afford. Worst case, he signs somewhere else for more money.. either way... Pitt can't keep him. IF that plan fails, I beg Timo for one more year at $2.5m and have Hagg on a 2-way(if not already? if possible?) I'm also re-signing Gus to a short-term $1.5 AAV. Re-sign Emery to backup Mason. He made $1.65m last year, would he take about the same amount? If not, Vokoun is UFA and could probably be had for about $1.5m? maybe? This has us under the cap by almost $3m after LTIR Prongs. Lines are as follows: F M.Moulson($5m), G($8.275m), Vor($4.25m)Hartnell($4.75m), Schenn($2m), Simmer($3.975m)Raffl($1.1m), Cooter($1.75m), Read($3.625m)Rino($750k), Laughton($863k), Akeson($900k) = about $37.25m cap hit for 2015 D Streit($5.25m), MacD($5m)Schenn($3.6m), Niskanen($5m)GrossmanN($3.5m), Ghost/Gus($925k/$1.5m) = about $25m cap hit for 2015 G Mason($4.1m), Emery$1.85m)= about $6m total: $68.25m for 21 players with Prongs on LTIR of course… i'm dreaming out loud here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Ok i'll play i found this i didn't create it but i like it a lot is it possible not sure but its a good start on paper...so here goes... FORWARDSMatt Moulson ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.250m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m)Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) DEFENSEMENMatt Niskanen ($6.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)Robert Hagg ($0.925m) GOALTENDERSSteve Mason ($4.100m)Chad Johnson ($0.600m)BUYOUTSDaniel Briere ($0.000m)Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)LTIRChris Pronger ($4.941m)RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%) Ok what say you....like i said a lot i'm not sure is possible but its a start!!!!! BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For Bak a couple post ahead of your some of the guys you mentioned just differing salaries!!!!!!!!!!! One i don't agree with and like my suggestion better/cheaper....Emery....go with Johnson instead. Edited May 1, 2014 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Flyers could use my boy Z. Buffalo stunk with him in or out of the lineup, but as Ted Nolan repeated often, he brought life to that team. Drive and enthusiasm are essential building blocks for contenders.I can totally see him adding a nice dimension to the team I like his speed and skill at top speed which reminds me of Crosby. Is Buffalo committed to him?Seems like with all their picks and stuff that he'd be looking down the barrel of being on a bad team for 3-4 more years or he could come and make our team a legit threat to do damage in the playoffs. Talk to him Blocker, get the ball rolling...he is a nice player. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmdodgesrt4 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) Sometimes the moves/trades never made are the best moves. Do not touch this team too much. Vinny needs to go. Eat half his salary if need be. But open that center spot for schenn full time. Let him actually play his position for a full season before we throw him away. Hartnell? He stays. Besides him and Simmonds we have no size. Eaten alive by Boston. People who wants harts gone are just looking at points , not what else he brings. Wake up people. Trade him you better have another power forward coming back like Ryan. Love hall. But if we can get Laughton in the line up, I like him on the forth line. Work his way in. Rafl and Rinaldo would be good wingers for him. For the forward group all that's missing is a second line winger . I'm not sure who you plug is there. Reid? Maybe a ufa? Trade? Not sure. On d comes the most shocking moves I have in store. Keep it the same and bring in some more youth. Kimmo needs to go though, unless at a severely reduced salary and roster position. Morin,ghost,alt need to be given the chance to take a or some spots. Perfect world ghost and morin are ready. Bottom line. My youth stays and that's what I build around. Because in this league now you have to have youth in your line up. Sure if I could get weber for like Laughton and a 1st and Gus I would take it. Lol Edited May 2, 2014 by Jmdodgesrt4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimKerrFan12 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Trade Coburn to Edmonton for whatever we can take them for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Trade Coburn to Edmonton for whatever we can take them for.Maybe they have a centerman? :-pI see him as one on the lesser issues to be addressed. Is Ales Hemsky still out there ? Is he worth a risk ? I have heard he's not real great in the locker room . He has skill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter puck Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 @TimKerrFan12 Coburn Hartnell and 17 th pick for yak and 3rd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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