Jam1986 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Mine would be Ghost a guy who is just offense. Need guys who plays O and D. This is my thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiladelphiaFlyersCG28 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 @Jam1986 When you say Ghost, do you mean Gostisbehere ? Please no !! I love Gostisbehere !! Him and Giroux are two of the best players on the team, not to mention they make a wicked team !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam1986 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Yes it is just a idea.We have Prov and 2 other kids doing his job. Would bring back a bag full good. This just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiladelphiaFlyersCG28 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 @Jam1986 Oh ok, sorry !! My bad !! I thought you were being serious !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Jam1986 said: Mine would be Ghost a guy who is just offense. Need guys who plays O and D. This is my thought. The word "surprise" wouldn't cover it if they traded Ghost. Plus, his defense is improving. Gretzky was once traded, so anything is possible, but I'm willing to bet he's not going anywhere. Other than Provorov or Giroux, I'm not sure who else qualifies as a surprise, though. We've talked about it on here, but either of Voracek (in particular) or Simmonds would actually be a surprise. Gudas would be a pleasant surprise, but...yeah, I'll go with Voracek or Gudas to answer your question. I highly doubt Voracek, but Gudas is possible if not probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Jam1986 said: Mine would be Ghost a guy who is just offense. This is not true at all. Dude came a long way this year playing defense. No way i move him now unless it is a huge haul. I don't know if i would call it a shocker but i would say Jake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiladelphiaFlyersCG28 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 @OccamsRazor it is highly unlikely that they would trade Ghost, he is one of the most valued players in that team, along with Giroux, Voracek, and others. They are a great team all around, and i can honestly say that if they ever lost one of those guys, this team would frankly cease to exist merely because Giroux, Voracek, and Ghost really seem like they are the backbone of this team, so it would be a real shame to see one of them go. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I will say Moose the Goaltender. Maybe someone wants a backup for a year who could spot start. That opens up a space for a youngin or they spend and get someone better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Honestly, I dont think you will see any "surprise" trades with Hextall. I think he is sticking to the core and will let the young kids come up and work their way into the "new core." IMO, it would take a whole lot for me to trade Ghost - outside of his offensive play he has made great strides on the defensive side of his game. Anyone (NHL) outside of Patrick, G, Jake, Ghost, TK and Provy would not shock me whatsoever. Simmonds is coming to the end of his deal so it makes sense but I think Hexy would be selling low. With that said I think you could see a few prospects being moved but I would be shocked. I dont think Hextall deviates from his plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 The only way Ghost gets traded is if Myers and Sanheim make massive improvements this year with the Flyers and put up big numbers.Then management decides that two big all around dmen are more valuable than a smaller offensive dynamo. With the next expansion coming a good young dman will be traded , it’s just a question of which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam1986 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just wanted to see what people would say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Andrew MacDonald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Jam1986 said: Just wanted to see what people would say! It's cool. It was a fun exercise and a different way of framing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 6/5/2018 at 6:22 PM, Jam1986 said: Mine would be Ghost a guy who is just offense. Need guys who plays O and D. This is my thought. Provorov would be the most surprising to me should he be traded. That dude feels like the cornerstone to me. I would surprised if Giroux was traded, but I can envision scenarios where that happens. Most times unless its a one for one ala the Weber/Subban deal, when a top guy gets traded, it si for a pu-pu platter of guys and picks coming back. Anecdotally that never works out either, yes I am still scarred by the Charles Barkley trade, which continues to be one of the worst trades in all of sport. I think it will be interesting to see what Pgh does with 71 and 87 as they age. I would imagine all kinds of assets could be acquired for those two dudes, but are they enough to "restock" the shelves ? I figure they've got a few more years of going for the wins with those two; so by then the farm will be depleted and there probably won't be a whole lot of high end draft picks on hand when they reach their Ryan Howard blowing his Achilles on a ground out moment. That will be some serious play-station wheeling and dealing when that day comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 18 hours ago, AJgoal said: Andrew MacDonald. I don't want to give up what it would take to trade MacDonald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poconono Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 11:14 AM, RonJeremy said: The only way Ghost gets traded is if Myers and Sanheim make massive improvements this year with the Flyers and put up big numbers.Then management decides that two big all around dmen are more valuable than a smaller offensive dynamo. With the next expansion coming a good young dman will be traded , it’s just a question of which one. But...what if the rumors about signing Carlson pan out? Would we really need Ghost anymore? Could we afford him? If people want to give Hextall credit for building the LA Kings remember that they didn't do it solely through the draft. They made a lot of trades. Remember Flyers West? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Poconono said: But...what if the rumors about signing Carlson pan out? Would we really need Ghost anymore? Could we afford him? If people want to give Hextall credit for building the LA Kings remember that they didn't do it solely through the draft. They made a lot of trades. Remember Flyers West? Why would I replace Ghost with Carlson? No, I'm not doing that. If we want to waste a bunch of money on Carlson, fine, but in addition to Ghost, not instead of. I do remember Flyers west, so let's do it intelligently instead of this nonsense. What the Flyers West did not do is trade Doughty for Sergei Gonchar or Mark Streit for no apparent reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, ruxpin said: If we want to waste a bunch of money on Carlson, fine, but in addition to Ghost, not instead of. I wouldn't want that to be a binary choice either. Though to Pocono's point, wasting a bunch of money on Carlson means that Ghost or someone else is likely not getting paid and will sign elsewhere or will need to be traded. One day though MacDonald will come off the books, so that money could conceivably be used to keep our prospects in house. Truly I don't know that I think the defense is where the free agent money and assets should be spent. I would prefer to see a top six forward added and a fast smart guy to lock down the 3c role. I think Oscar Lindblom is going to be very good, he is smart and looks like an aircraft carrier on the ice, plus he can skate, I do think he will need to have skilled smart guys to play along side though. So, even if he is not cracking the top 6, having a smart fast guy with him on the 3rd line most likely makes the line better than the sum of its parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Truly I don't know that I think the defense is where the free agent money and assets should be spent. I agree. Completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: . One day though MacDonald will come off the books, so that money could conceivably be used to keep our prospects in house. Yeah, with MacDonald, Lehtera, and Weiss coming off in addition to what we're currently sitting on, we should be okay there. Eventually there will be some decisions to make no matter what. I'm okay with getting the high end right hand shot on defense, but like you, it's not my top priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I definitely agree that signing Carlson wouldn't be my priority. Considering it would be a signing and not a trade though, I have a hard time seeing much of a negative to it. Obviously it would depend on how much he wants and for how long. But if his asking price isn't so foolish, it would be hard to see the acquisition as anything less than good... That said, it isn't a priority. Our defensive corps was much better last year than many seem to think. They were among the best in suppressing shots for instance. Provo, Ghost, and Sanheim all have elite-level metrics when looking at their defensive stats from last year. That's three spots covered, and we've got Morin and Myers chomping at the bit too. I've said this before, but our defensive challenge last year had far less to do with dmen as it did with goaltending. An upgrade in goal would stand to be significantly more impactful than adding any dman, even someone as good as Carlson. I also agree that getting a decent 3C is more important also. That would be a second priority for me. Getting a scoring LW would probably be my third. Adding any new dmen ranks pretty low on the list after all those. So yeah, can we get Carlson without breaking the bank? Then sure, what's not to like? It only gives us more options. But I wouldn't back up the truck for him at this point... and I expect some teams will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, elmatus said: and I expect some teams will. agreed.... I think he is gonna get paid handsomely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, murraycraven said: agreed.... I think he is gonna get paid handsomely. Yeah, he's going to get bank and term, and I really don't want to do the latter. @elmatus I agree on everything. Near term I actually put 3C that is a good penalty killer even next to my want for a goalie. But the 3C needs to be a penalty killing specialist for me. LW is on the wishlist, but like you, it's down below goalie and 3C and just above an RD for me. I do want to see what Lindblom does over a full season. But if I could score a good 2LW and slide Lindblom to 3LW, I'm a happy camper. But that and RD is the guilty pleasure I allow myself after the important stuff is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 This org devoted years of drafting d-men early and often. Using lots of time, assets and planning in the process. Sharply altering course and throwing huge amounts of money at a UFA d-man directly conflicts with their previous positioning. We want our own respectable prospects to eventually fill the void. This means, stay the course, be patient etc. Topic wise, Simmonds will get dealt. The only question is, if his offense dips next year, his trade deadline value will diminish, maybe a great deal. He will always be one of those rare toughness and talent combo's, so to an extent, he will always be worth more than a first rounder plus prospect kinda thing...how much he scores next year will determine that. So, Hexy will have to weigh that risk and how much he can get in Sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 hours ago, jammer2 said: This org devoted years of drafting d-men early and often. Using lots of time, assets and planning in the process. Sharply altering course and throwing huge amounts of money at a UFA d-man directly conflicts with their previous positioning. We want our own respectable prospects to eventually fill the void. This means, stay the course, be patient etc. Topic wise, Simmonds will get dealt. The only question is, if his offense dips next year, his trade deadline value will diminish, maybe a great deal. He will always be one of those rare toughness and talent combo's, so to an extent, he will always be worth more than a first rounder plus prospect kinda thing...how much he scores next year will determine that. So, Hexy will have to weigh that risk and how much he can get in Sept. I think it's over the summer or deadline. Early in the year, I think it's highly likely we have to take salary back, only because it will be tough to find a good trade partner with the cap space. Maybe not. But I think either a player with salary comes back or we pay part of his. The problem with at the deadline is that if the Flyers are in a playoff push, trading Simmonds then will be hard to sell to the team and the fan base -- especially if it's for pick and prospect. Again, it's possible but difficult. Over the summer -- either at the draft or in July after the top of the free agent pool has played itself out --might be the optimal time. Hextall will have to convince someone that this year was an injury-induced aberration, otherwise he might be selling low. None if it's ideal and I understand the desire to wait for a "show me," but summer may be the best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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