flyercanuck Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said: I think he is a bad player. He's got too much Petr Nedved in him w/out the goal-scoring. That's why I call him the poster boy for the JVR fan club. He floats about 80% of his shifts, just drifts, stays away from the play. The other 20% I see a good player, a strong guy on the puck no doubt. It's just that, like JVR, it only happens once a week if that. It's funny (ok sad) that most of the NHL saw this in him...yet our management thought "Hey, lets give him an offer he can't refuse!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 20 hours ago, radoran said: After Hamilton (who I don't know fills the Flyers "need") I just don't see the "game changer" on D in this list So go after Ekholm. He can be your Kimmo type move. He can be a game changer i think. Physically and with the puck. Guy brings some size and toughness. He checks all the boxes to me. Kimmo came over at 32 and put in 6 good seasons...i think he can too. But you have to convince the Preds. That will make some run away. I get it. Ya got to pay to play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratefulFlyers Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: It's funny (ok sad) that most of the NHL saw this in him...yet our management thought "Hey, lets give him an offer he can't refuse!" It is sad. Before I looked it up I figured he was about a 0.75 PPG player. It's actually 0.6. Hayes and his agent must've laughed themselves silly that day. "You just signed a contract for FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS!" Over $7mil a year and he does nothing consistently well, nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucson83 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 remember this is before av got hired:https://overtimetkro.wordpress.com/2017/01/15/why-isnt-claude-giroux-scoring/ like the av haters are making this like it's a new thing with giroux and jake, it's been like this before av got hired like for the life of me why are they are ignoring these issues with them heck why is the philly media not throwing them under the bus? they are like the most frustrating players i ever watched in flyers hockey, they do nothing, we loose games because of them but they get free passes by media and the av haters like it's ok to play this way. it's mind blogging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 7 hours ago, flyercanuck said: It's funny (ok sad) that most of the NHL saw this in him...yet our management thought "Hey, lets give him an offer he can't refuse!" They "needed a 2C" and he was "best available" so they gave him $50M. He also "knew AV's system" and so could help.implement it. I believe at the time there was also talk that the Flyers would need to overpay him to come here. Mission accomplished. Honestly he looked good last season. I wasn't really concerned with Y1-3 but more about 4-7. And here we are in Y2... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 6 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: So go after Ekholm. He can be your Kimmo type move. He can be a game changer i think. I think your next bite at the Ekholm apple is next year's trade deadline - assuming the Preds are out of it. Or you are giving up some significant young pieces and taking back Duchene or Johansson. Speaking of the Preds, talk about a team building around two lackluster $8M players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Lol, Ekholm will be a broken down old man before this team is any good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 hours ago, radoran said: Or you are giving up some significant young pieces and taking back Duchene or Johansson. And no the plan is to take place at the draft or later in the offseason. And also NOT to take back one of the those contracts. We'll delve more into this once the season is over. He'd be my target.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: He'd be my target.... I'm not at all against the target. I'm questioning the availability. If the Flyers were the Preds and had Ekholm what does it take you to deal him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 12 hours ago, radoran said: If the Flyers were the Preds and had Ekholm what does it take you to deal him? It will take more than Laughton and Hagg that is for sure. I would move this year's pick in the package. A key defensive prospect would start the ball rolling...without names i can't go further. But if they want to go the safe route with like a Savard i understand. I really hope moving Jake is a big goal...i would prefer this than a huge trade for a defenseman i can't lie. I can not watch another year of Jake on this team. Can't do it. I would tolerate another year of Giroux as long as long as Jake is gone. I want that to be the shot across his bow. That if he doesn't bring it this upcoming year i want him gone in a deadline deal. Before a trade upgrade after expansion draft. 28 Claude Giroux -14 Sean Couturier - 11 Travis Konecny86 Joel Farabee - 13 Kevin Hayes - 17 Wade Allison21 Scott Laughton - 48 Morgan Frost - 23 Oskar Lindblom24 Tanner Laczynski - 19 Nolan Patrick - 62 Nicolas Aube-Kubel9 Ivan Provorov - 58 David Savard6 Travis Sanheim - 5 Phil Myers53 Shayne Gostisbehere - 55 Sam Morin 6 Robert Hägg 79 Carter Hart ???????????It would be done but i like the change so far. No one wake me. I hope 5 years would land Savard. I went safer with him because fickle Philly fans wouldn't be happy i think with Doug H. I would be willing to pick up salary on Ghost maybe to move him. And it is time to find another backup goalie. Would Halak come to Philly?? Or how about Laurent Brossoit. Johnathan Bernier? I am concerned about size in net though and Halak and Bernier are on the smaller side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: It will take more than Laughton and Hagg that is for sure. I would move this year's pick in the package. A key defensive prospect would start the ball rolling...without names i can't go further. But if they want to go the safe route with like a Savard i understand. I really hope moving Jake is a big goal...i would prefer this than a huge trade for a defenseman i can't lie. I can not watch another year of Jake on this team. Can't do it. I would tolerate another year of Giroux as long as long as Jake is gone. I want that to be the shot across his bow. That if he doesn't bring it this upcoming year i want him gone in a deadline deal. Before a trade upgrade after expansion draft. 28 Claude Giroux -14 Sean Couturier - 11 Travis Konecny86 Joel Farabee - 13 Kevin Hayes - 17 Wade Allison21 Scott Laughton - 48 Morgan Frost - 23 Oskar Lindblom24 Tanner Laczynski - 19 Nolan Patrick - 62 Nicolas Aube-Kubel9 Ivan Provorov - 58 David Savard6 Travis Sanheim - 5 Phil Myers53 Shayne Gostisbehere - 55 Sam Morin 6 Robert Hägg 79 Carter Hart ???????????It would be done but i like the change so far. No one wake me. I hope 5 years would land Savard. I went safer with him because fickle Philly fans wouldn't be happy i think with Doug H. I would be willing to pick up salary on Ghost maybe to move him. And it is time to find another backup goalie. Would Halak come to Philly?? Or how about Laurent Brossoit. Johnathan Bernier? I am concerned about size in net though and Halak and Bernier are on the smaller side. Halak is too old, though still very good. I want a younger backup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, FD19372 said: I want a younger backup. Brossoit. 28. Young enough. Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm....why not? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Brossoit. 28. Young enough. Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm....why not? He's been very good for the Jets right from the start imho. Pretty consistent despite limited minutes and fewer starts than most backups. Could do much worse for more money. I'm assuming the Jets try to resign again, assuming they can afford him still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, Podein25 said: I'm assuming the Jets try to resign again, assuming they can afford him still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 4/23/2021 at 11:15 AM, CoachX said: I said current and former, but I put an "s" meaning several current I didn't understand this. Thanks for clarifying. I clearly took it to mean there were other former Flyers saying things. all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucson83 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 hours ago, mojo1917 said: I didn't understand this. Thanks for clarifying. I clearly took it to mean there were other former Flyers saying things. all good what do you think about these d pairings for next season provy-ellis martinez-myers sanaheim-montour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I like Montour, I think one of Martinez or Ellis would be enough. I would like some $ to go to signing a tough kid with some skill/speed for the top 9 Flyer4ever likes Sam Bennett, I'd like a kid like Clayton Keller or the system's Noah Cates...but a kid with some toughness and smarts. So one less vet on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucson83 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, mojo1917 said: I like Montour, I think one of Martinez or Ellis would be enough. I would like some $ to go to signing a tough kid with some skill/speed for the top 9 Flyer4ever likes Sam Bennett, I'd like a kid like Clayton Keller or the system's Noah Cates...but a kid with some toughness and smarts. So one less vet on defense. i like to add if zamula and york pan out that makes myers and sanaheim expendable maybe trade them for a winger and depending on the cost of the winger we get back, we may have enough cap for 3 defenseman and another winger. Edited April 27, 2021 by tucson83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 12 hours ago, tucson83 said: what do you think about these d pairings for next season provy-ellis martinez-myers sanaheim-montour What did you give up to get Ellis? And I would be good with Martinez and Montour too. Ellis ain't cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucson83 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: What did you give up to get Ellis? And I would be good with Martinez and Montour too. Ellis ain't cheap. probably would either jake or jvr in it and probably sanheim as well to replace ellis and probably take a winger from them too. i dont know their cap situation though. im just guessing right now. Edited April 27, 2021 by tucson83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 What does all this roster chatter have to do with what Weise said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, CoachX said: What does all this roster chatter have to do with what Weise said? You're absolutely right....soooo, boxers or tighty whiteys? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, tucson83 said: sanheim Yeah because I was scratching my head because he was in your lineup with Montour. I was wondering how you pulled it off. So who plugs Sanheim's hole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, CoachX said: What does all this roster chatter have to do with what Weise said? He called us an instructed us what to say to steer this into something of interest... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) I think the Flyers need to save some $$$$$ for a legitimate finisher that loves to shoot and doesn’t understand the meaning of the word pass. I can’t remember the last time the Flyers had a true sniper. Edited April 27, 2021 by Samifan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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