jammer2 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 There is a real conundrum when discussing the next MDZ deal. Thing is, the longer we wait, the more his potential price could go up. His solid 2 way play combined with his offensive acumen might drive his price up, but I guess only 10% raise, so not bad cost wise. Of course, from a Flyers perspective, it would be nice to wait a bit to see if his compete level stays where it presently sits. Almost seems a bit unfair, that he would get a raise based on the desperation contract he signed, but he did put himself there, so hard to feel really sorry for him. The real sticky part would be length. I would love to see a 1 year deal with the Flyers having a club option for 2 years after that. Is that allowable under the CBA, does anyone know? That would be the best case for the Flyers, a 1 year deal with an option for 2 following. Gives us the ability to cut bait if he starts stinking (don't think that will be the case, but ya never know, huh?) and gives us future years if he becomes an impact player, which he might just be....even more than he is showing now. He's only 24 and has had limited ice time the past few years. Fair to point out also, the Flyers have much more offensive depth than the Preds or Rags, so MDZ's offensive talents will be matched up with forwards who have offensive flair, a first for him. As he grows more comfortable, we could see his offensive numbers go through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 @jammer2 Ack, just give MDZ the full NMC and whatever Subban is getting and be done with it. The Flyer way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 @Podein25 It's not the Flyer way, it's just the Clarke, Farwell, Clarke and Homer way....it's all we've known for quite a while, huh? Hexy gives us all hope for a brighter sunnier day in Philadelphia....cause we all know, it's not always sunny there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Thing is, the longer we wait, the more his potential price could go up. Or down. For once i don't want to rush to sign someone......Flyers have done that so many times. This time ride it out. Make him earn it then make him an offer he you can't sign him then you can trade his rights get something for him hell even if it was just a 2nd round pick i'd be happy for turning a defenseman noone wanted into a 2nd rounder. But we have seen them jump the gun and resign guys when they really didn't have to *cough* Rinaldo *cough*. Lets wait it out.....at least till a week before the trade deadline....then flip him if he doesn't resign. But i'd prefer till after the season and more importantly if the make it....the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 @OccamsRazor There is some wisdom in those words. Despite his impressive play of late, there is no "pressing" need to ink a new deal now. If he was UFA instead of RFA this summer, I would say there is a pressing need. However, having MDZ listed as an RFA is a HUGE advantage for the Flyers. It basically means we own him outright. GM's don't even break rank to sign superstars on RFA deals, so pretty safe to say, nobody will be making a big play for MDZ. The 10% raise on his already very workable deal is a mere pittance to Comcast. It would be the equilivent of you or I paying sales tax on a chocolate bar.....ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 @OccamsRazor There is some wisdom in those words. Despite his impressive play of late, there is no "pressing" need to ink a new deal now. If he was UFA instead of RFA this summer, I would say there is a pressing need. However, having MDZ listed as an RFA is a HUGE advantage for the Flyers. It basically means we own him outright. GM's don't even break rank to sign superstars on RFA deals, so pretty safe to say, nobody will be making a big play for MDZ. The 10% raise on his already very workable deal is a mere pittance to Comcast. It would be the equilivent of you or I paying sales tax on a chocolate bar.....ha ha. I want to see him sustain it longer. Now matter what if he plays better he will increase his price tag and yet his trade value....i wish him the best....make it hard for Hexy that means the Flyers will reap the benefit in the standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 There's plenty of time to work out a deal. Now is not the time and I am pretty sure teams are not banging down Hextalls door to acquire him. See who the season plays out bc sooner or later we need to upload a dman or two... Until then let him earn his keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 No. I have already had enough of reading about this guy's foibles in the gossip column (OK, CrossingBroad).This guy's focus should be on trying to revive his once-promising career as a potential NHL star, not chasing after porn stars.He does not get it and probably never will.Stop... The guys is doing a pretty damn good job this year and is playing well. What he has been accused of is not worse than dirty mitts or Carter and Richards...Crossing Broad is the TMZ of philly sports coverage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 There is a real conundrum when discussing the next MDZ deal. Thing is, the longer we wait, the more his potential price could go up. But he is a RFA and he also needs to prove himself beyond 6 mos. Do a bridge contract with a healthy raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 There's plenty of time to work out a deal. Now is not the time and I am pretty sure teams are not banging down Hextalls door to acquire him.See who the season plays out bc sooner or later we need to upload a dman or two... Until then let him earn his keep. Also i owe you an apology for us getting into it kind of over RJ at the end of summer. I never said RJ was going to be a star just that he was more disciplined and come find some use here ....i was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt he had something left in him after he was traded here. But i was dead wrong it looks like and you were right on. Hey i tried but i can no longer defend him he has looked horrible. I'm a man and own up to when i am wrong so i'll take my crow medium well. His performance makes it look like Hexy got robbed bad in this....all we have left is the fact that the deal is up first. But a normal buy out may be the best deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Also i owe you an apology for us getting into it kind of over RJ at the end of summer.I never said RJ was going to be a star just that he was more disciplined and come find some use here ....i was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt he had something left in him after he was traded here.But i was dead wrong it looks like and you were right on. Hey i tried but i can no longer defend him he has looked horrible.I'm a man and own up to when i am wrong so i'll take my crow medium well. His performance makes it look like Hexy got robbed bad in this....all we have left is the fact that the deal is up first. But a normal buy out may be the best deal.No worries man... I focus on 2 years less! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 But he is a RFA and he also needs to prove himself beyond 6 mos. Do a bridge contract with a healthy raise.Do you offer a bridge, or just a qualifying offer though? I definitely don't think you give him big bucks yet, despite liking what I see so far. I'd like to see more games to figure out who the current/future MDZ can be.Definitely agree, he needs to earn his next contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Do you offer a bridge, or just a qualifying offer though? I definitely don't think you give him big bucks yet, despite liking what I see so far. I'd like to see more games to figure out who the current/future MDZ can be. I am borderline on that. Truthfully, I don't think you have to do anything until next summer.At the same time, I don't want to piss him off he continues to play as well as he has. I personally hate doing contracts during the season. If its an extension, fine, but if its a renewal, I don't like the distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I am borderline on that. Truthfully, I don't think you have to do anything until next summer.At the same time, I don't want to piss him off he continues to play as well as he has. I personally hate doing contracts during the season. If its an extension, fine, but if its a renewal, I don't like the distraction. At least the Flyers hold all the cards for next year. A very strong position of strength. The pissing off part, that would come into play....MDZ could refuse to sign a multi year extension, in favour of a one year RFA contract. It would be real nice to see some loyalty here, the Flyers resurrected his career, took a chance on him when no one else would, you'd think that would buy some good grace for the org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 @jammer2 I think the fact Philly gave him a 3rd chance along with also being a sworn enemy of the Rangers might be enough for him to want to re-sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Monet Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Kind of funny because w/o kimmo getting ill, this thread would never exist. Kimmo's game was diminishing and it opened the door for someone else. Fortunately hextall didn't do a classic flyer move and traded picks / youth for another aging vet .Keep it up mdz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off_the_post Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Agreed. If there has been one benefit from the Kimmo blood clot issue is has been the play of MDZ so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I know some might not like this, but I think the Flyers will offer a 3 year deal in the range of 3.5 to 4 million per year. I know that the popular sentiment is to wait out the season for Del Zotto to see if the play keeps up, but the fact is, Del Zotto had one terrible season in his career. He's not the first player it has happened to and he won't be the last. As well, some players just need a change of scenery for things to click. A great example of that was when the Flyers acquired John LeClair in the Mark Recchi/Eric Desjardins trade. LeClair was a thrown in. Once he got out of Montreal, we all saw how his game rebounded. I'm not saying that Del Zotto will have a LeClair like effect, but he can certainly be a legitimate top pairing puck moving defenseman when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 He's looking a lot better as the games go on. If I were the GM, I would wait until after Christmas. As a side note - the Flyers look better without Coburn and MacDonald, no?Coburn-no, MacDonald, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I know some might not like this, but I think the Flyers will offer a 3 year deal in the range of 3.5 to 4 million per year. I know that the popular sentiment is to wait out the season for Del Zotto to see if the play keeps up, but the fact is, Del Zotto had one terrible season in his career. He's not the first player it has happened to and he won't be the last. As well, some players just need a change of scenery for things to click. A great example of that was when the Flyers acquired John LeClair in the Mark Recchi/Eric Desjardins trade. LeClair was a thrown in. Once he got out of Montreal, we all saw how his game rebounded. I'm not saying that Del Zotto will have a LeClair like effect, but he can certainly be a legitimate top pairing puck moving defenseman when all is said and done. I'd still rather wait til Feb/March and see how it plays out. LeClair never really had a bad season in montreal...he was coming off two pretty good seasons. He just went from playing a lesser role with les Habs to being peak Lindros' winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 As of this point in time, yes. However, there's no need to rush and sign him to a deal that is too expensive and for too long. I don't even approach him until spring. Even then, I might wait until the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 He's an RFA, so he doesn't hold all of the cards. But MDZ is a perfect example of why you use bridge contracts - it's a "show me the goods before I show you the money" kind of contract. You did it once, which could be luck. Now do it again. In his case, though, he did it early in his career, and he seems to be back on track after a short derailment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 He's an RFA, so he doesn't hold all of the cards. But MDZ is a perfect example of why you use bridge contracts - it's a "show me the goods before I show you the money" kind of contract. You did it once, which could be luck. Now do it again. In his case, though, he did it early in his career, and he seems to be back on track after a short derailment. If I'm Hextall (or any GM) I'm still looking at a "bridge" deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If I'm Hextall (or any GM) I'm still looking at a "bridge" deal.With the complimentary NMC or NTC of course......I can't ninja that cause I'm on my phone...but its implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If I'm Hextall (or any GM) I'm still looking at a "bridge" deal. Yes, absolutely. I was pushing for a bridge deal if my message wasn't clear. It will be interesting to watch MDZ's minutes going forward. MDZ is getting a lot of minutes - more than Coburn, and more than anyone on most nights lately. He was 2nd behind Streit against the Habs. His role on this team will obviously be a factor in a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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