King Knut Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 45 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Not sure. Wasn't even aware he was waived. So there goes that idea if you ain't interested when someone is waived then i guess you ain't interested. Oh well he must have a damn plan then. i don't know for sure. Someone here said he was on waivers. I guess if they missed it though it's all moot and they can still trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, King Knut said: i don't know for sure. Someone here said he was on waivers. I guess if they missed it though it's all moot and they can still trade for him. I guess but i can't see why you would trade for someone you could of had basically for free besides his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Too bad Manning's strong play to start the season tailed off. Zatkoff cleared waivers by now, he was waived a couple days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 11 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: That's a surprise. What was the last deal the flyers ever made at the deadline...carcillo/upshall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 39 minutes ago, icehole said: That's a surprise. What was the last deal the flyers ever made at the deadline...carcillo/upshall? Off the top of my head...Coburn for Gudas (who's almost the equal of Coburn) a 1st and a 3rd. Basically Coburn for Gudas and Konecny...let's see you spin the negativity on that one. pure robbery for Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 10 hours ago, ruxpin said: I think it was @flyercanuck that said it's overpayment. I agree, although we end up with two top ten picks. So, does the inclusion of MDZ on a sign and trade do it (with a lesser pick from the Avs)? Or do you do Hagg? Or do you skip this altogether? Well you said Landeskog and a pick (which i generally take to be lower than a 2nd if you don't actually say a 1st or a 2nd) Getting a 1st back makes it more even..but to me Voracek is better than Landeskog though the contracts equal them out. Ghost probably has 1st round value, though maybe not top ten. You'd be lucky to get a talent like Ghost in this draft outside the top ten...then you add in that he's young but already NHL ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 48 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Off the top of my head...Coburn for Gudas (who's almost the equal of Coburn) a 1st and a 3rd. Basically Coburn for Gudas and Konecny...let's see you spin the negativity on that one. pure robbery for Philly. Why would I spin? I don't spin...I just tell the truth . I always thought Coburn got a raw deal from the fans, but I like gudas and konecny. Was that deal at the deadline or a few days earlier? I just don't remember that happening while I was waiting for something to happen. I thought that happened a few days earlier than the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 55 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Off the top of my head...Coburn for Gudas (who's almost the equal of Coburn) a 1st and a 3rd. Basically Coburn for Gudas and Konecny...let's see you spin the negativity on that one. pure robbery for Philly. Let me ask you something. This game tonight, would you be more excited for this game 5 years ago (2012) when Holmgren had the team, or now (2017) when Hextall has been running the team for 3 years? I gotta be honest, I couldn't give 2 schitz about tonight's game. My brother and I are getting together because...well, it's a good reason to drink. But if it was just penguins/flyers at 8 at console energy, I'd probably watch 2 periods at home and fall asleep in the third. I'm not promising I won't do the same tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 10 hours ago, King Knut said: I really don't know. I only ever wanted to trade Ghost because I was pretty convinced Hak would never use him to his strengths we'll again. I'd like to keep him though. The problem with trading Hagg is that Hagg is the kind of pairing partner we need for guys like Ghost and Sanheim. To me Myers seems like the odd man out and not just because I worry about his health but becaue his skill set will seem to be covered by Ghost danheim and Provo. Unless they want to pair him with Provo but I'd prefer a more physical partner for both. Donyou trade a kid that that highly touted before he even plays in the AHL? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Like by sorry short I don't think there's a good answer to this one. A risk would have to be taken. I agree though that Jake and Ghost or any other d prospect is too much. They all look to be too good. I'd dangle Hagg I guess if they think Moron is really clos. No. You don't trade a big all around very good defenceman. Period. I keep all of them until we see what we have. But Myers has potential to be top pairing...Ghost doesn't, Morin doesn't, Hagg doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, icehole said: Why would I spin? I don't spin...I just tell the truth . I always thought Coburn got a raw deal from the fans, but I like gudas and konecny. Was that deal at the deadline or a few days earlier? I just don't remember that happening while I was waiting for something to happen. I thought that happened a few days earlier than the deadline. I never hated Coburn, but that trade was a steal for Philly. It was a deadline deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, icehole said: Let me ask you something. This game tonight, would you be more excited for this game 5 years ago (2012) when Holmgren had the team, or now (2017) when Hextall has been running the team for 3 years? I gotta be honest, I couldn't give 2 schitz about tonight's game. My brother and I are getting together because...well, it's a good reason to drink. But if it was just penguins/flyers at 8 at console energy, I'd probably watch 2 periods at home and fall asleep in the third. I'm not promising I won't do the same tonight. These outdoor games don't do much for me no matter who's playing. They've taken the rarity away from it and made it a cheesy gimmick. Drinking sounds like a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: These outdoor games don't do much for me no matter who's playing. They've taken the rarity away from it and made it a cheesy gimmick. Drinking sounds like a great idea. I agree. The winter classic used to be an event for me. New years day with cold weather and possibility of snow. They marketed it as NHL players playing in the same environment as when they were kids. Now, there's like 10 outdoor games per season, some played later in the season. Some are played in towns where it has never been cold and people don't care about hockey. And for some players, this is their 4th or 5th outdoor game so there's no nostalgia to it anymore. However, in 2012 I would've probably been in Pittsburgh by early evening last night, I'd be having a blast today, and probably would've been fighting penguins fans tonight. Things have definitely changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 On 2/17/2017 at 10:21 AM, Hockey Junkie said: I would really like to know your opinions on whether the Flyers are sellers or buyers now? I mean, my Sabres are 1 pt back, as are the Leafs. to me Toronto has played better hockey than the Flyers and Sabres put together. But here they sit, all pretty much tied. The Leafs have to be buyers. I can see them being one of those 8 seed Edmonton type teams. Like the 06 Oilers that pulled off the miracle of getting to the finals. We were a period away from having them for dinner. The Flyers and Sabres would both be obliterated in the first round by Washington. Toronto might be able to surprise them a game or two? What say all ye? Well there's no shootout in the playoffs (yet), so Toronto might actually do okay.... if they get there. I predict at least 4 games against Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Well you said Landeskog and a pick (which i generally take to be lower than a 2nd if you don't actually say a 1st or a 2nd) Getting a 1st back makes it more even..but to me Voracek is better than Landeskog though the contracts equal them out. Ghost probably has 1st round value, though maybe not top ten. You'd be lucky to get a talent like Ghost in this draft outside the top ten...then you add in that he's young but already NHL ready. For whatever it's worth, I wasn't criticizing or disagreeing with your position -- even with the first. I think you're probably right that it's overpaying. But pretending maybe we're interested in Landeskog, I think the Avs will require overpayment. I was just wondering aloud if this is close enough that you do it, substitute a different player for Ghost in exchange for a lesser pick, or skip altogether. Because it's not like it's a move the Flyers have to do. So don't if the sticker is too much. I'm not huge on Landeskog. But on the other hand, I'd like the opportunity to get away from Voracek. I think he's not as good as hoped and his contract will be an anvil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 34 minutes ago, ruxpin said: For whatever it's worth, I wasn't criticizing or disagreeing with your position -- even with the first. I think you're probably right that it's overpaying. But pretending maybe we're interested in Landeskog, I think the Avs will require overpayment. I was just wondering aloud if this is close enough that you do it, substitute a different player for Ghost in exchange for a lesser pick, or skip altogether. Because it's not like it's a move the Flyers have to do. So don't if the sticker is too much. I'm not huge on Landeskog. But on the other hand, I'd like the opportunity to get away from Voracek. I think he's not as good as hoped and his contract will be an anvil. I agree...other than on Voracek...he's every bit as good as I hoped...he's just overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Rick Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, WordsOfWisdom said: Well there's no shootout in the playoffs (yet), so Toronto might actually do okay.... if they get there. I predict at least 4 games against Washington. Certainliy this is the best Leafs team since 99 when my Sabres beat them in the conference finals en route to the rip off finals vs Hull and the Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Hockey Junkie said: Certainliy this is the best Leafs team since 99 when my Sabres beat them in the conference finals en route to the rip off finals vs Hull and the Stars. The last time the Leafs iced a good team was in 2004. (The 2012 team was a one-off fluke that got into the playoffs during a lockout shortened season, so I don't count that one.) Ah yes, the Brett Hull toe-in-the-crease goal. Don't you love it when the NHL decides that one of its rules are crap -- in the middle of a Stanley Cup final series -- and decides to stop enforcing it at its most critical time? If I recall, that 1999 Leafs team had the Sabres beat on offence, were probably similar in defence, but the Sabres had someone named Dominik Hasek in goal. So while the Leafs could outscore their opposition up to that point, they couldn't muster anything against Hasek. The Leafs (and the style of hockey they play) is such that they cannot defeat a team with superior goaltending. They have never been able to out-"defence" another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I want no part of a Landeskog deal with Colorado. The Flyers have their own Landeskog coming over next season in Lindblom. Landeskog is going to cost a fortune to acquire and honestly, I have no interest in giving up Keith-lite to get him. Right now, I hope the Flyers can add a prospect, some bodies to expose for the expansion draft and some second round picks by moving Mason, Neuvirth, Streit, and Del Zotto. I know that Doug Wilson has been sniffing around Steve Mason as a possible back up to Martin Jones, so why not see if you can get a prospect like right handed defenseman Julius Bergman (who I saw a lot in London when he played with the Knights and is a superb all around defenseman). As for Neuvirth, I'm thinking it's Winnipeg for Michael Hutchinson and a 3rd. Mark Streit will probably be sent back to Montreal and I'm thinking it's going to be for a 2nd and Greg Pateryn. Del Zotto should also land us a second. There was also a rumour that came out today that Brayden Schenn was being shopped and Winnipeg and Minnesota are the two teams that sniffing around him. If Schenn's on the move, I'd like to see something like Jason Zucker and a prospect for him from Minnesota or Tyler Myers and Jack Roslovic for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 12 hours ago, flyercanuck said: No. You don't trade a big all around very good defenceman. Period. I keep all of them until we see what we have. But Myers has potential to be top pairing...Ghost doesn't, Morin doesn't, Hagg doesn't. Beat me to it. You have to be *real* careful about giving up on any of these guys. The possibility to get fleeced is a very real possibility. Imagine having a perennial All Star and giving him away for next to nothing? With the Flyers luck, it would be the equivalent of the Sharp deal only with d-men prospects involved. Totally agree with your top pairing assertions. When all the smoke clears, I can't see Ghost, Hagg or Morin having top pairing talent. Ghost *might* be a second pairing pp specialist kinda thing (but will always need to be anchored to a stay at home big physical type) Most likely, Ghost and Morin make up the 3rd pairing. Perhaps even Gudas and Ghost on the 3rd and Sanheim and Morin on the second pairing, depending on how Morin's skating and defensive awareness work out. I could TOTALLY envision a top pairing of Myers and Provorov. They both have straight up wicked hockey sense to go along with top-notch passing and shooting skills. Of course the strongest part of both their games is elite skating. EDIT....why Myers over Sanheim on the first pairing? We do have a strong comparison tool to work with, they were both on Team Canada World Jrs as 19 year olds. Of course, Myers tourny was cut short due to injury, but I saw enough to know, Myers stood out a LOT more than Sanheim did on Team Canada. Sans was a 2nd or 3rd pairing kinda guy and Myers was probably our best d-man and was a lock as a 1st pairing....and just as important, Myers was always skating with the top pp. Myers is a naturally beautiful skater. His stride is effortless and he has the dexterity of somebody under 6 foot. I don't know if we have ever really had the chance to see him in top gear, but this kid can outright FLY!! You never give up early on a kid THAT big combined with elite skating and vision. He has all the tools to be something really special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Flyers sitting at the 11th pick in the draft might as well continue the run for the draft pick get inside top 10...purge while you can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Realistically, trade bait consists of: -Mark Streit (UFA): probably the only guy I can all but guarantee will be moved. He's got a modified NTC but I don't see why he wouldn't waive it to get a chance at the Cup. -Michael Del Zotto (UFA): was really hoping he would have had a better year and earned himself a reasonable extension. He's still relatively young and he would have been great to keep around for a few more years until our young guys have developed. I'd still bring him back on a short term deal if he was willing to take a pay cut because after the year he's had, he isn't going to get anything near what he's getting now. -Andrew MacDonald: we all want him gone, but I just don't see it happening with so much left on his contract -Nick Schultz (UFA): solid vet that could be attractive to another team needing depth -Chris Vandevelde (UFA): Hakstol's love child, who is barely an NHL player. Could be attractive for depth purposes -Nick Cousins (RFA): I'm not a fan of his and I'd love to see if we could get someone better suited for the bottom-6 than him -Pierre-Edouard Bellemare (UFA): solid 4th liner who can play on the PK, but does Hextall want to keep him around? -Jordan Weal (RFA): can't see many teams having much interest in him -Matt Read: probably won't be shopped around since he's likely a target for the Expansion Draft -Dale Weise: an absolutely DUD of a free agent signing. Would be real hard to move him right now. Have to hope for a bounce back season from him next year -Boyd Gordon (UFA): another bad free agent signing and someone who no one will have any reason to trade for -Scott Laughton (RFA): does Hextall see him as part of the Flyers' future? -Steve Mason/Michal Neuvirth: One will probably be moved, and I'm leaning towards Neuvirth. Do we bring back Mason on a short term deal (no raise) and hope he bounces back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Ben Bishop just got traded to Los Angeles for Hudak, Eric Carnik (?) and draft picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Well, no Bishop for us. Quick and Bishop. That's a helluva combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I guess since Eklund said Bishop was coming to Philly, this was bound to happen. I'm relieved...I didn't want Bishop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 why would LA do that? They're not even going to make the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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