Jump to content
You are a guest user Click to join the site

Ducks Hockey Forum Coyotes Hockey Forum Bruins Hockey Forum Sabres Hockey Forum Flames Hockey Forum Hurricanes Hockey Forum Blackhawks Hockey Forum Avalanche Hockey Forum Blue Jackets Hockey Forum Stars Hockey Forum Red Wings Jackets Hockey Forum Oilers Hockey Forum Panthers Hockey Forum Kings Hockey Forum Wild Hockey Forum Canadiens Hockey Forum Predators Hockey Forum Devils Hockey Forum Islanders Hockey Forum Rangers Hockey Forum Senators Hockey Forum Flyers Hockey Forum Penguins Hockey Forum Sharks Hockey Forum Blues Hockey Forum Lightning Hockey Forum Maple Leafs Hockey Forum Canucks Hockey Forum Golden Knights Hockey Forum Capitals Hockey Forum Jets Hockey Forum

All Activity

This stream auto-updates     

  1. Today
  2. Yep. So basically very little. The place where home ice could really play a part, at least at first, is Denver. I'm not disregarding the quirk altogether. It plays its part. Ultimately, I don't think it alters all that much, though. Maybe it two teams are even in every other way. I still think it the arena is completely empty, the game might as well be played in Guam.
  3. With no fans, home ice advantage basically comes down to familiarity with the ice surface...ie quirky tendencies in regards to pucks coming off the boards differently in certain spots...that kinda thing.
  4. [Hidden Content] end it now! There is no sense in trying to salvage this season. Call it now and get plans in place for the fall. This charade by Buttman is ridiculous......
  5. Doesn't that happen always for both teams whether home or away? You're always favorable bench proximity in the first and third and further in the second. I'm not following.
  6. Yesterday
  7. Advantage: last change and two periods, vs. one, with more favorable bench proximity for changes on the fly........
  8. I honestly don't see how any place is "home ice advantage" with no fans. Seriously, I don't mean to hammer this, but I think we need to think about what creates a home ice advantage. I mean, it's not like the old days when the old Boston Gardens or the Aud had tighter corners or smaller zones, etc. They're all cookie-cutter rinks at this point. Some variance in ice surface, but that may be all out the window playing in July, anyway. And like I said to rad: last change. That can be assigned arbitrarily regardless of where you physically play. Like batting last in baseball. What is really the huge difference is fans --who won't be there. I don't think I'm overstating this. I don't think an empty arena gives anyone an advantage. Pretend it's in Pittsburgh, since that's actually on the list. I don't even think the Penguins will get home cooking advantage as I doubt they'll be able to go home during the tournament in an effort to keep players self-quarantined for protection. They allow anyone to go home and they've violated their own reasons for having an arbitrary playing location. For better or worse (I think worse), home ice advantage will be completely irrelevant. One team will get the extra game to have last change. That's about it.
  9. The NHL has already said, if a city is a hub location, the home team cant play their games at home. They would have to travel...unfair advantage I guess?
  10. If there are no fans in the building, I really don't think it matters. Without fans, they're ALL neutral. Honestly. What creates the home ice advantage? 1. Fans, their reactions, their urging on, and the opposite against the opponent. 2. Last change. They'll have that in any building in adherence to whomever is supposed to be the "home" team for any given game. So, we're back to just last change. No other home ice advantage. At this point, it's two pairs of mildly-interested teams on a random rink of frozen liquid that could be anywhere. And without fans, none of them will likely even know or care where they are while they're playing. They'll be doing it in near-silence. The only team that COULD benefit from this is the Panthers, since they're quite used to playing in silence.
  11. [Hidden Content] This just gets dumber and dumber the more we learn about it. That's seven Western Conference cities - six of which actually have teams in the "playoffs" All three "Eastern" Conference cities also have teams in the "playoffs". How do we feel about playing the Penguins... in Pittsburgh? Is it impossible to find a neutral site for these shenanigans?? Heck, there are, after all, seven cities that don't have teams in the playoffs...
  12. It's possible, but Philly isn' t among those listed. Things could change by then, but they'll likely stay away from Philly or New York only because they've had such a rough ride and aren't yet officially in the clear. Allegheny County wasn't doing that great, either (not as bad), so I'm mildly surprised. Also surprise because while downtown Pittsburgh has some larger hotels, obviously, I don't know that they can accommodate that kind of volume.
  13. I don't think they've set the locations yet right? I can surely see Philly as one of the main locations with Comcast and all.
  14. Even beer league teams have some fans. Heck, at most practices there are more than a few people standing around. Playing to almost dead silence in an empty arena? How does that even work? I'm betting we get piped in "crowd noise" and chants. What they won't have is what they should have: a laugh track.
  15. Strictly from a Flyers perspective, finishing 4th in the conference and playing a round Robin to potentially get 1st seed? Nice...but to what end? We had the best home record by far and now play no home games? Advantage...rest of the East. We lose the most by having no home games. Overall though, at least the team, which was arguably playing their best hockey of a decade plus, get a chance to see what they can do. Very important for Hart to be playing games when it counts. He needs that to develop...ditto for all the youngsters.
  16. Start with Botterill who lives on Twitter
  17. Agreed. The NHL should just quit pretending they have integrity and just organize their league standings based on the teams with the best TV contracts generating the most revenue. It could look like this: TEAM----------REVENUE---W-L-PTS Blah blah $x x-x-xx Blah blah $y y-y-yy Teams would be sorted by revenue, and if two teams are tied, then PTS is the first tie-breaker.
  18. Good point. And even if I despise this whole nonsense solution, I'll be a b!tch and watch it. Because Buttman is God. All governments, doctors, health staff are fighting with this pandemic, trying desperately to put out those fires, but He has the solution. Send 1000+ people in some place in the US and Canada, along with the NHL crew, players, their families, jam-packed them in hotels and everything will be allright. I heard that the final word will come to the players through the NHLPA. So it's still theoretically possible that they turn this down at the end If I'm not mistaken.
  19. By Jordan Hall May 27, 2020 8:00 PM INSIDE THE TURNAROUND An inside look at how Flyers have built 2019-20 turnaround With perspective from the players and head coach, let's take an inside look at how the Flyers have built their 2019-20 turnaround. By Jordan Hall The round-robin tournament of the NHL's 24-team return-to-play format will represent different kinds of importance for the fourth-seeded Flyers. Firstly, they couldn't ask for a better tune-up ahead of their first-round series. They'll play each of the Eastern Conference's top three teams once before meeting their opening-round opponent. Secondly, those dates with the East's best could help the Flyers climb even more. The total points accumulated in the round-robin tournament will determine the conference's seed Nos. 1-4. If there are ties after the set of games, which will feature regular-season overtime and shootout rules, the regular-season points percentages of each club will serve as the tiebreaker. How could the Flyers fare in the round-robin portion and what would it ultimately mean for their outlook in the 24-team setup? Here are three factors to note: 1. Can Flyers win round robin? They shouldn't be considered heavy underdogs. The Flyers will be confident in their opportunity to improve their seed after going 2-1-0 against the top-seeded Bruins during the regular season and 3-0-1 vs. the third-seeded Capitals. The second-seeded Lightning were the one club that gave the Flyers trouble. The Flyers dropped two games in regulation to Tampa Bay, but one was a 1-0 defeat and the other was a chippy 5-3 loss with an empty-netter in the final 22 seconds. The Flyers have a goalie who keeps them in games and a group that held its own with the fellow top seeds in major statistical categories: Goals per game Lightning — 3.47 Capitals — 3.42 Flyers — 3.29 Bruins — 3.24 Goals against per game Bruins — 2.39 Flyers — 2.77 Lightning — 2.77 Capitals — 3.07 Power play percentage Bruins — 25.2 Lightning — 23.1 Flyers — 20.8 Capitals — 19.4 Penalty kill percentage Bruins — 84.3 Capitals — 82.6 Flyers — 81.8 Lightning — 81.4 2. Wait, would they want to climb? It's an interesting question right now because the NHL and NHLPA are undetermined on the format for the first and second rounds, whether it be bracketed or reseeding after the qualifying round. That's a huge question. Say the Flyers stayed at No. 4 in a bracket-style scenario and the 12th-seeded Canadiens knocked off the fifth-seeded Penguins, the Flyers would face Montreal. On paper, that would be a pretty favorable matchup against the lowest seed in the East. Whereas the No. 1 seed in the conference would face the winner of the No. 8 vs. No. 9 matchup. If the league instead agrees to reseed, such a scenario would see the No. 1 seed face the Canadiens during the first round, whereas the Flyers, as the fourth seed, would get the highest remaining seed to advance from the qualifying round. When/if the Flyers play round-robin games, the NHL will have made a decision on the format for the first and second rounds. Right now, just about everything is undecided for the Flyers. 3. The good thing? The Flyers can't hurt themselves in the round robin. As the lowest seed of the four, they can only improve their seed. If the Flyers struggle, they stay put at No. 4 and at least played three competitive warmup games for their first-round series. The Flyers went 22-8-5 against the Eastern Conference playoff field during the regular season, so they'll like their chances against whichever team they draw.
  20. Yeah, but... there is quite a bit of importance to the money aspect. There is a big TV contract to cash in on for the NHL. Sure I know I will be missing out on seeing a playoff game or two in person, but frankly I'd be watching the majority of any playoffs from my couch anyways. Not much changes really for a lot of NHL fans, other than it's being summer and nothing much else to watch on TV. For me it is the health aspect that is more concerning imo. How can the NHL keep all involved not to get Covid once they start up?
  21. ...like all the fans, concessionaires, tertiary businesses, Red Wings, etc. etc. etc. If a hockey player scores in a forest and no one is there to see it, does it really matter?
  22. My guess has been that if those cities had been in the top 16 already, then we wouldn't be looking at this 24-team silliness.
  23. Because by extending to 24 teams, you include big markets like Montréal, NY Rangers and Chicago. It's only a money thing. But my understanding is: that stupid best-of-5 qualifying round is not part of the playoffs, technically speaking. The losers of this series won't be listed as qualified teams for the playoffs in the record and stats. That being said, yes, screw that, just cancel the goddamn season and try to have a more "normal" 2020-2021 season.
  24. My other post answers in a slightly more level headed way, but it's late and the short direct answer is because they give two s#### about the fans. This is about recouping some of their losses and an attempt to hedge against what more they might lose. Period. If you're looking for a hockey or sports reason or any kind of attempt to find a legit winner, you ain't going to find it. No pretense at thought was given to that.
  25. This has nothing to do with competition, fairness or whatever. The answer to your question is again television contracts and revenue. 16 teams negates the reason for a play in that everyone can pretend isn't a playoff and counts to magically fulfill a number of regular season games. I agree with your upset with the 71 point club knocking off a legitimate team. I wouldn't cry too much for the Pens, specifically, but it was looking like quite possibly a Philly/Pitt first round. It's not what it once was, but it's still a good time. I don't know that it's rigged. I mean, I guess it's possible since nearly everything else is anymore. But it certainly lacks a drop of integrity.
  1. Load more activity
  • Our picks

    • Dear all,
       
      As part of my season ticket holder benefits the Flyers invited me to a 10 year reunion of a handful of the 2010 players on a Zoom type system where we could see and hear all the players but they could not hear or see us (see screenshot at end of recap).  It was hosted by Steve Coates and radio announcer Tim Saunders.  In attendance were JVR, Scott Hartnell, Claude Giroux, Simon Gagne, Danny Briere, Ian laperriere, Kimmo Timonen, and Brian Boucher.  The event lasted an hour and they discussed some of the behind the scenes stuff from the 2010 playoff run.
       
      Firstly they discussed how they had been picked to go far at the beginning of the season and how they laid an egg early on which got Stevens fired.  Coatsey and Saunders asked if the hiring of Lavvy made a huge difference and they tried to be diplomatic about it but said yes implicitly.  Hartnell said that Stevens was all defense and that nobody likes to play defense and they all felt freed by Lavvy's offensive system to do their thing.  As you can imagine they also highlighted that Stevens was very soft spoken and that Lavvy was very fiery which really inspired them.  They also said the leadership of Pronger was huge.  Harts said just the name gave them more confidence but also his big body and the leadership as well.
       
      Then they went into a discussion about how the season was ending where they were losing 8 out of 11 down the stretch including one to the Rangers in game 81 of the season.  The most interesting thing we learned about the last game of the season was that Lavvy anticipated that the Rags would play them tight and may even play for a shootout as they had Lundqvist in net and figured if they could get it to a shootout they would beat the Flyers in it (I myself certainly thought so when it got to the SO).  Lavvy wanted them to be prepared for this so at practice he called Gagne, Giroux, Briere, JVR, Richards and Carter over to him and said he wanted them to study film of Lundqvist in the SO and pick a move that they planned to move and practice that move.  They did so and Briere went out and executed is perfectly.  Giroux on the other hand changed his mind in the middle of his attempt and then had nothing to shoot at so he just went 5 hole and was lucky that it went in.  Boucher mentioned that he was so nervous before the game and really felt the pressure that afternoon.  He also note that he couldnt stand Lundqvist's celebration at the end of Ranger wins where he taps his posts and then does a huge fist pump.  Bouch witnessed it from the bench in the previous game and wanted to do it back to him if the Flyers won and when he made that last save his celebration was an attempt to emulate and mock it.  Booch said he actually tripped up when trying to do it as he got up awkwardly from the save but that was the story behind his famous celebration. 
       
      cont'd on forum post
       

       
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 10 replies
    • Okay, after listening to feedback (I do occasionally listen lol) I took a second crack at this stat.... and here's what I came up with: 
       

       
      To me, what was missing previously was a way to get defensive scores back UP again through continued playing time, so now it's here. It's like a "counter-balance" to allow defensive scores to rise. 
       
      With this recent improvement, there was no longer a need to add 100 to try and pretty up the scores. I left them as is and they fluctuate between positive and negative values, just like regular +/-..... but this is NO +/- !!!  This is much closer (I hope) to what people have been looking for. It is quite literally DEFENCE..... just defence and nothing else. 
       
      Now, I know what people are going to say: "But guys are still being punished for offence..."  (That comment makes me cringe.) No player is ever technically "punished" for offence. They're just not able to boost their DEFENCE rating by scoring points. That's it. If you're the worst defensive player in the league, you can't score 100 goals, boost your stat, and then turn around and claim a Selke trophy. This isn't +/-. Just like you can't erase ERRORS in baseball by hitting more home runs. It doesn't make sense. If you commit 50 errors in baseball, the only way you can get better is to stop making errors... and if you play long enough error-free, you will eventually raise your fielding percentage to a respectable level. But the bottom line is that you can't hit your way out of bad fielding stats.
       
      (Whew!)
       
      Okay, so how does this work now? It starts with the Minus stat (as described previously) but now I take TOI (Time On Ice in minutes) and divide it by 60. That value gets added to the score. So for every game you play without committing a "-", your defence score will go up. Notice that this accomplishes a few things: It sort of considers "quality of opposition" into the stat (because your best players play the most) but it also rewards the players who contribute the most to your team. 
       
      I still don't know if I have anything viable here, but it gives me a good feeling this time around.   
       
      • 8 replies
    • Cale Makar's Assault On The Record Book
      OK....some crazy stuff going on in Ave's land! The all time record for a rookie defensemen is 76 by the great Larry Murphy. Even Ray Bourque had under 70...he had 4th best with 65 rookie pts. Makar is on pace for 93. Staggering. 
        The scary part is he is doing this with Rantanen and Landeskog both out with serious injuries. Cales hockey sense is outrageous for a rookie...howitzer of a shot...wicked moves, agile and smart. He reminds me of Bourque as a rookie. He has 100 pt potential...as silly as that sounds in this day and age. 
        • Like
      • 13 replies
    • Vladimir Tarasenko Out 5 Months
      The defending Stanley Cup champion St Louis Blues have just received a dose of bad news.  Teresenko, the superstar that helped the Blues hoist their first Cup, is now to be lost for 5 months due to shoulder surgery.  If they can survive without him and still make the playoffs, it would seem he would return for that.  I believe they are deep enough to do it. 
        • Like
      • 17 replies
    • It's Demko time!!
      Small deal between the Canucks and the Senators today with possible large implications for both.
       
      Vancouver gets: Taylor Pyatt, a 13th forward not much of a player. McKenna, an AHL goalie pressed into duty because of injuries to the Ottawa net and a 6th round pick.
       
      Ottawa gets Anders Nilsson who in two years as a backup in Vancouver went 10-27 and Darren Archibald who has been a meh prospect forever now and who looks like he is just a body to even out the players involved.
       
       A bunch of hot garbage in other words but it may be a sign of things to come for both.
       
        First Ottawa seems almost certain to trade Craig Anderson at some point now and ride out the season with Nilsson in net. A contender wanting a veteran goalie will take a shot at him. 
        Vancouver likely will ship McKenna to the AHL and call up top prospect Thatcher Demko to share the net at the least and possibly become the primary starter after two very successful seasons with Utica in the AHL. Demko is a California boy, a big surfer looking dude who Benning has shown surprising patience with as he developed. Moving Nilsson clears the way for him to get his shot probably moving Markstrom to the backup role for the remaining of the season to see what Demko can do.
       
        So a trade of junk for junk has implication for an aging brittle goalie and for a kid chomping at the bit wanting a shot.
        • Like
      • 5 replies
    • Post in Paul Fenton has been fired as GM after just one season.
      It's possible. But I think right now your biggest issue is timing. The Wild fired Fenton at a time is year where the replacement pool is such that if the candidate were any good, he'd already be working. 
       
      Leipold should get a lot of "credit" for badly bungling this situation (and it's on him if what you describe is accurate, and I think it is up an extent).  His statements indicate this started at exit interviews. 
       
      First of all, if you did any credible due diligence, you knew this before. But make a decision when you did realize it.  You don't go to the end of July, in hockey's no man's land (we'll call it "Miami," for short) and then make this move. 
       
      Leipold is nearly single-handedly destroying his own franchise. 
        • Good Post
        • Like
    • To answer your question, what makes a good NHL GM?
       
      You noted player personnel wins and losses... But didn't cover anything else. Understandably, I get it, but IMO there's a ton more behind being a good GM.
       
      Looking at it from a fan perspective player personnel is about the only thing one could care about. But from an operations standpoint, or from an owners standpoint, generating $$ is all they ever put much emphasis on. Business, or rather being a successful business equals follow the money.
       
      Something I brought up several years ago was the Wild, under Doug Risenbrough, were an economically successful team. The team never spent to the Cap but they had sellout after sellout. Contrary to some the previous ownership claimed they were losing money. Where have we heard that with the Minnesota North Stars? Hence, they left for Dallas and won a Stanley Cup, 2 Conference Titles, 2 Presidents Trophies and 8 Division Titles... They're doing well generating revenue. They were bought for $84 million in 1995 and are now valued at $525 million. The Dallas Stars are a prime example of spending more (wisely) can create residual earnings. Which is something the Minnesota North Stars never figured out.
       
      Insert the Minnesota Wild. So under Robert Naegele, Jr., and GM Doug Risenbrough, as mentioned they ran a tight ship on spending. Wild fans here viewed them as cheap. The results as some pride themselves as describing, they're a successful team because they've had so many sellouts in a less than desirable "Hockey Market" because everyone here keeps reminding everyone (nationally) that Minnesota isn't a very good hockey market. (That's something I totally disagree with.) Minnesota probably has more hockey pucks and hockey arena's per capita than any other state or Canadian Providence... To match it's 'Land of 10,000 Lakes' boast.
       
      Granted, it's a bit off-topic talking about Minnesota's hockey market, but in the grand scheme of things no one can match Minnesota's superior high school hockey programs or the number of successful college hockey programs... Fans following them could have gone to more North Stars games, or more Wild games... But why if neither of those teams have anything to show for their efforts except being on the losing end of highlight reels (nationwide)?
       
      Okay, back on topic now that I've eliminated any just cause that Minnesota can't be a major hockey market.
       
      Read more ... https://www.hockeyforums.net/topic/71822-what-makes-a-good-nhl-gm/?do=findComment&comment=390931
       

       
        • Good Post
        • Like
    • The more I'm thinking about this the more I'm coming to the conclusion it's not simply the coach but the result of the coach trying to compensate for the goaltending -- which is ultimately on Hextall. 
       
      The centers ARE a mess. And so is Ghost. Why? Because the centers are not staying low in the offensive zone and--Patrick and Coots in particular--not mucking it up in the slot to cheat back to hedge against being caught. 
       
      Ghost is doing less going low or pinching much for the same reason.  It's possible they're doing this on their own. Whether deliberate or not, it's a natural response to the knowledge that any mistake, any odd man or often even man rush the other way will end up past the incompetent sieves in our net. 
       
      It's just as likely that this is per coach directive much for the same reason. 
       
      The question remains--bluntly--how does a competent GM look at his goaltending this past summer and not move to fix this while leaving $10M in cap space on the table? 
       
      How does that same competent GM go through the summer knowing he doesn't have a 3C  and not move to correct that in any sober way? Again, with the $10M sitting there. 
       
      I know he doesn't want a contract that blocks kids and doesn't want to move said kids for it, but that effectively and explicitly tosses this season away. 
       
      Meanwhile, the tickets are still full price. 
       
      You see the results in the stands during the game. The last game, the stands had all the energy of a wake.  
       
      There was apparently zero thought of putting out a quality product this season. And there's no good reason for it. 
       
      I do like what Hextall has done with draft picks.  But it sucks that the most exciting time of year is the lead up to the draft.  Only to keep saying, "boy, in five years!" 
       
      I've been uncharacteristically calling for patience the last couple of years. Those who have been around for awhile--especially those from the silly.com days--know how out of character that really it.  But the patience has waned.   At this point, supplement through trade. Move out "leadership" that isn't leading. 
       
      Do SOMETHING other than punish kids you yourself have damaged only to bring up other soon to be damaged kids.  Wake the hell up and get the lumina out of neutral and go get us some damn halibut! 
       
      We're starving! 
        • Thanks
        • Like
    • Why no Canadian NHL team will win the cup
      Gary Bettman who is the commissioner of the National Hockey League (NHL) was brought in 30 years ago with one agenda, and that was to grow the game of hockey in the USA.  In Canada the game of hockey is like a religion, with winters lasting 6 months all there is, is hockey.  Fans are passionate and it's the number one sport.  Football and baseball come second and third.  Unfortunately for fans in Canada, no Canadian NHL team has won the Stanley Cup for 25 years since the Montreal Canadians have won.

       

      This thesis will explain why no Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup until at least 2050.

        • Like
      • 40 replies
    • Hey It works!
      • 285 replies
  • Who's Online   0 Members, 0 Anonymous, 55 Guests (See full list)

    There are no registered users currently online


Game Room 1

    You don't have permission to chat.
    ×
    ×
    • Create New...