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Hindsight should Flyers have taken Dougie Hamilton instead of Couturier

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Hamilton has taken over since Chara injury has 5 goals and including last year

Has a few game winning goals.

Watching Couturier skate hurts my eyes

 

Hindsight is just that...hindsight.  You convienently forget that at one point Coots was highly regarded as the #1 or #2 overall pick in that years draft.  His, well renown bout with mono quite possibly attributted to him dropping to #8.    His 2010–11 campaign resulted in him being named to the QMHJL First All-Star team, as well as winning the Michel Brière Memorial Trophy as the league MVP and the Mike Bossy Trophy as the best professional prospect in the QMJHL.

 

When he dropped to #8 in that draft, I can see why Homer drafted him.  He seemed a steal at #8.  Now it can be argued if he should have made the Flyers as a 18 or 19 year old rookie.  That can be debated. 

 

There are no guarantee's in the draft.  You simply don't give up on a kid or second guess yourself because he is struggling on a very bad team.

 

I have a simple cure for you.....if he is hurting your eyes ----> don't watch.

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They should have taken Hamilton because that's what they needed. Like others, though, I can see why they took Couturier. 

 

The following year, they should have taken Maatta over Laughton.

 

That being said, Laughton sure appears to have a much better nose for offense in the handful of games he's played than Couturier has ever shown in 4 years. And he kills penalties and is supposedly a defensively responsible forward. It might just make Couturier expendable, no?

 

It would be a calculated risk - but Couturier will never get faster and that will seriously hurt his NHL game.

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They should have taken Hamilton because that's what they needed. Like others, though, I can see why they took Couturier.

The following year, they should have taken Maatta over Laughton.

That being said, Laughton sure appears to have a much better nose for offense in the handful of games he's played than Couturier has ever shown in 4 years. And he kills penalties and is supposedly a defensively responsible forward. It might just make Couturier expendable, no?

It would be a calculated risk - but Couturier will never get faster and that will seriously hurt his NHL game.

I'm not convinced it's nose for the net that is the difference. I think it's foot speed and the ability to get to those areas quickly when the opportunity present itself. Plus I think the way Copter has been used for 3-4 years has made him second guess his offensive instincts.

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I'm not convinced it's nose for the net that is the difference. I think it's foot speed and the ability to get to those areas quickly when the opportunity present itself. Plus I think the way Copter has been used for 3-4 years has made him second guess his offensive instincts.

 

Yeah, could be. Perhaps a combination of those things. But even his passing and shooting when in the offensive zone, Laughton seems light years ahead of Couturier. So it's not just an age thing with Coots because he's older than Laughton and MUCH more experienced.

 

It's still quite possible that he finds his offensive game in the years to come. The sample size being what is it, do you gamble that Couturier will end up being a Handzus type of player, and try to parlay his 'potential' into something of greater value to the team? Don't get me wrong, even if Couturier pretty much tops out at what he is now, he's an excellent 3rd line player. And those are valuable. But it might be a situation where the Flyers can get another team to overvalue him.

 

It's a hard spot to be in for Hextall when evaluating the young guys and planning for the future. We saw first hand what happened with JVR and Schenn - that was a case where we undervalued JVR and overvalued Schenn.

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Yeah, could be. Perhaps a combination of those things. But even his passing and shooting when in the offensive zone, Laughton seems light years ahead of Couturier. So it's not just an age thing with Coots because he's older than Laughton and MUCH more experienced.

It's still quite possible that he finds his offensive game in the years to come. The sample size being what is it, do you gamble that Couturier will end up being a Handzus type of player, and try to parlay his 'potential' into something of greater value to the team? Don't get me wrong, even if Couturier pretty much tops out at what he is now, he's an excellent 3rd line player. And those are valuable. But it might be a situation where the Flyers can get another team to overvalue him.

It's a hard spot to be in for Hextall when evaluating the young guys and planning for the future. We saw first hand what happened with JVR and Schenn - that was a case where we undervalued JVR and overvalued Schenn.

I'm not at all in favor of moving Cooter. In part, because if a lot of us Flyer fans have come to the conclusion that he is a Handzus, then so have other GMs presumably, ie they won't overpay.

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I wrote countless posts about our need for defense and how we were depending way too much on our old defenseman like Pronger. Timmo and now Streit and I also wrote that with the wear and tear and age of thee guys we were playing with fire. I constantly wrote how if Timmo got hurt ,we were finished.  I also couldn't understand that with the age of our top dmen and having nothing in the AHL why we took centers two years in a row when that was our strongest position. Everyone talks about how Coots was rated higher than Hamilton... how much higher could he have possibly been rated? If two players are close in rating you go for what you need.

 

Homer was so blind, defenseman take longer to develop as it is, yet this moron just kept taking centers, he finally loaded up on defense but it was about 3 years too late and now we are stuck with the most immobile, uncreative, offensively inept  and overpaid defense in the league.  So were going to suffer for a few more years with this team of overpaid untradeable stiffs, but on a good note ,we should be in for a lottery pick and hopefully a couple of our young dmen will be ready next year. I wish there was a way to see my old posts, I should be named assistant GM

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@RonJeremy   Factoring in our new found prospect depth on defense.....if the Flyers pick #3 in 2015, do they select Noah Hanfin with that pick?  From all accounts, it appears Noah is a "solid" #3 ranking. Word is he is a can't miss superstar on defense, skates like the wind, has wicked vision, wicked shot....I don't think they could pass him up, despite being weak on the wings.

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@RonJeremy Factoring in our new found prospect depth on defense.....if the Flyers pick #3 in 2015, do they select Noah Hanfin with that pick? From all accounts, it appears Noah is a "solid" #3 ranking. Word is he is a can't miss superstar on defense, skates like the wind, has wicked vision, wicked shot....I don't think they could pass him up, despite being weak on the wings.

Agreed. Anybody can play wing.

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@RonJeremy   Factoring in our new found prospect depth on defense.....if the Flyers pick #3 in 2015, do they select Noah Hanfin with that pick?  From all accounts, it appears Noah is a "solid" #3 ranking. Word is he is a can't miss superstar on defense, skates like the wind, has wicked vision, wicked shot....I don't think they could pass him up, despite being weak on the wings.

 

You take Hanfin and trade one of our other defensive prospects to fill a need if it gets to that. 

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Hamilton has taken over since Chara injury has 5 goals and including last year

Has a few game winning goals.

Watching Couturier skate hurts my eyes

Couturier can't skate. He's got zero upside. A waste to take a potential Selke winner at number 8.

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Couturier can't skate. He's got zero upside. A waste to take a potential Selke winner at number 8.

 

 He's young enough that he can still evolve offensively....although it looks less and less likely with each passing game. He's very valuable as a defensive specialist. Zeus is slower than Cooter and he forged a nice career in the NHL. To say zero upside, that is more than likely incorrect.

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I said it before...Hamilton would have never become the player he has with Boston because, frankly, the Flyers don't have the patience to develop young talent. If Coots were a Bruin, he might be an All-Star. Sean would be under the tutoring of players like Bergeron.  

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I wanted Hamilton in that draft. But when Couturier fell to us I totally got why Homer took him.

Agreed, a lot of Flyers fans wanted Holmgren to draft Hamilton but he didn't so we have live with that. I don't think Holmgren believed in drafting defensemen with high picks, he seemed to be stuck on drafting forwards. Hopefully Hexie will be different. The Flyers surely could use Dougie Hamilton right now with the state of the Flyers defense is in.

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