Poll= Joel Quennevilles' fate

[yave1964]

This much we know:

 

Joel Quenneville is coaching the Panthers in tonights game against the Bruins. So far.

 

Quenneville is then to meet with Gary Bettman tomorrow.

 

Stan Bowman who simply loathes Q and who has saw his own reputation forever tarnished is putting much of the blame on Quenneville who he says told him that he simply could not deal with the situation as the team was trying to win a cup.

 

 So the question, the poll, what will/should happen to Quenneville after he meets with Bettman?

 

 A side question, Q is absolutely one of the greatest coaches of all time, factoring this in is he still a mortal lock for the Hall of fame someday or does this beyond a doubt leave him on the outside looking in?

[Samifan]

You forgot to add be forced to shave his mustache as a punishment. Lol

 

In all seriousness what should happen and what will happen are two separate things. The fact the team was only fined a measly $2 million gives me no faith the league will take appropriate action against any individual. All involved in the cover up should be suspended and fined by the league. If proven he lied and was part of the cover up the panthers should also fine and suspend Q on top of anything he gets from the league. I don’t see him being fired by Florida. 
 

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Samifan

[flyer4ever]

1 minute ago, Samifan said:

You forgot to add be forced to shave his mustache as a punishment.

 

In all seriousness what should happen and what will happen are two separate things. The fact the team was only fined a measly $2 million gives me no faith the league will take appropriate action against any individual. All involved in the cover up should be suspended and fined by the league. If proven he lied and was part of the cover up the panthers should also fine and suspend Q on top of anything he gets from the league. I don’t see him being fired by Florida. 
 

 

If this was a player assaulting an owner bett turd would throw the book at them. He doesn't give a rats ass about the players, he only lives and breathes for money and his rich old white man friends. He would push his own mother down the stairs for a nickel. In short, a disgusting little man. So basically, the big lie will prevail.

[Math]

46 minutes ago, Samifan said:

In all seriousness what should happen and what will happen are two separate things. The fact the team was only fined a measly $2 million gives me no faith the league will take appropriate action against any individual. All involved in the cover up should be suspended and fined by the league. If proven he lied and was part of the cover up the panthers should also fine and suspend Q on top of anything he gets from the league. I don’t see him being fired by Florida.

 

Finally, I pretty much agree with this. The League, as usual, with do the strict minimum. Quenneville and Chevaldayoff will get a slap in the hands, a fine, but everybody will let the dust settle after that and everything will be alright in this wonderful world.

[FD19372]

The other coaches and the GM I can't speak for, but Quenneville seems too intelligent, and at least on the surface... too nice a guy to have done something or condoned something like this, absolutely KNOWING there would be consequences. At this point...right now...today, Coach Q is still on the Mount Rushmore of great NHL head coaches.

[TropicalFruitGirl26]

Not sure what will happen to Quenneville (if anything), but stepping way back and looking at this from a Panthers' fan and team point of view, the Cats have the very real opportunity to not only win the Atlantic Division, but make some serious noise in the playoffs........... and this whole investigation and subsequent fallout could provide a huge distraction towards that end!

If any justice needs to be meted out, then so be it....I would be the last person to condone covering for a coach/player/owner etc who was involved in wrong doing just because of accolades, but what a shame it would be for the hard working players on that Florida team, and the two dozen fans who support them, if this whole thing puts a damper on what should be one of the team's best seasons yet!

Will the same thing that happened in Chicago happen in Florida (I.E. Quenneville "can't be bothered" with this because he is trying to win a Cup?), or will the powers that be do what needs to be done, put that aside and dish out punishment to those who deserve it?

I really don't know.
But it sucks being a part of the Panthers, doing everything else right, then have this hanging over their collective heads.
Even as a Panthers rival fan, I hate to see it if it came down to that.

[OccamsRazor]

3 hours ago, yave1964 said:

Stan Bowman who simply loathes Q

 

Wow this is new to me but please shed some light on this if you have time i wasn't aware of this.

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

3 hours ago, yave1964 said:

So the question, the poll, what will/should happen to Quenneville after he meets with Bettman?

 

Fired and banned for a year at minimum.

[OccamsRazor]

2 hours ago, Math said:

 

Finally, I pretty much agree with this. The League, as usual, with do the strict minimum. Quenneville and Chevaldayoff will get a slap in the hands, a fine, but everybody will let the dust settle after that and everything will be alright in this wonderful world.

 

You could be right but after what happened to Jon Gruden over some emails and i know it is a different sports but damn is sexual misconduct less offending than racist emails??

 

I'm asking because both are very very disturbing and if anything they should be =.

 

Fire his ass!!!!!!! To put this over winning a Cup is a very bad blackeye for hockey.

 

I would want to even thing if this was my son how i would feel or even do to these people...

[OccamsRazor]

I lost all respect for Toews after this.

 

To say you are in Beach's corner then say this.

 

 

 

 Ben Pope @BenPopeCST ·

 

2h Jonathan Toews:

 

"To me, Stan and Al...they're not directly complicit in the activites that happened." "People like Al and Stan have made coming to the Blackhawks...one of the special places to play hockey. I have a ton of respect for them as people."

 

F**K RIGHT OFF!!!

 

 

I really got upset when Beach talked about him being there for the Cup celebration and parade and it made him feel like nothing,

 

Like he was in the wrong.

 

With the guy who abused him right there celebrating.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by OccamsRazor
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[Brewin Flames]

It's going to come out, that more and more people, staff, players and all knew exactly what was happening and did squat...disgusting.

 

And it being beach, kind of explains alot, if you followed his career at all.

[OccamsRazor]

7 hours ago, Brewin Flames said:

It's going to come out, that more and more people, staff, players and all knew exactly what was happening and did squat...disgusting.

 

And it being beach, kind of explains alot, if you followed his career at all.

 

Yeah when watching that video last night and he broke down and said he wish he did more to prevent it from happening to that high school kid it made me very emotional. I feel so sorry for him.

 

And then a really disturbing part was when he said all the players in the locker room knew and they too said or did nothing and made homo phobic jokes well it is an all new low.

 

I just hope all that knew are held accountable and are punished and lose their damn jobs it is the right thing to do - including Q who was more worried about a trophy than a young kid and ruining his life and how many other it affected.

 

[SCFlyguy]

Q should be banned from hockey.

[ruxpin]

Was it a headshot?

If so, 2-5 games and move on, per NHL Department of Player "Safety"

 

I'm with @Samifan, whose post was spot on, IMO.    What should happen and what will happen are two different things.   @SCFlyguy, I agree with you that if they followed the Joe Paterno example, he gets banned from hockey, statues removed, name flushed repeatedly, and driven to the grave.   But this is the NHL.   They'll channel Susan Collins and be very disturbed by it, shake while speaking to make clear the level of emotion involved and then DO.EXACTLY.NOTHING.

 

And grand stand about why that was the right move.

 

And the world will move on as if nothing happened until the next kid is assaulted and mentally and emotionally destroyed and we go through all of it again--unless the people/person involved are only average or less, then maybe they'll set an example that average get flushed while despicable but successful gets stroked some more.

[Podein25]

Absolutely disgusted by the Toews response. Kane's was even worse, and not remotely believable, but you don't expect much from that trash bag of a human being. 

 

These guys make $10M a year, they could hire the best New York PR firms to help guide then through a thing like this and instead they just wing it?! So, in addition to being lousy people, they are morons. 

 

Really expected better from Toews. Incredibly disappointed. And disgusted.

 

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, ruxpin said:

Was it a headshot?

If so, 2-5 games and move on, per NHL Department of Player "Safety"

 

I'm with @Samifan, whose post was spot on, IMO.    What should happen and what will happen are two different things.   @SCFlyguy, I agree with you that if they followed the Joe Paterno example, he gets banned from hockey, statues removed, name flushed repeatedly, and driven to the grave.   But this is the NHL.   They'll channel Susan Collins and be very disturbed by it, shake while speaking to make clear the level of emotion involved and then DO.EXACTLY.NOTHING.

 

And grand stand about why that was the right move.

 

And the world will move on as if nothing happened until the next kid is assaulted and mentally and emotionally destroyed and we go through all of it again--unless the people/person involved are only average or less, then maybe they'll set an example that average get flushed while despicable but successful gets stroked some more.

 

 

Well all I know is I hope the NHL knows the world is watching.

 

Every players and kid from midget hockey to the pros.

 

Every parent of those kids.

 

So you know the right thing to do.

 

But will you. Will you set an example.

 

Will you show you are hear to protect others from this ever happening and most importantly show them that if it does you can come forward so this is addressed.

 

And the evil people are jailed and away from the game.

 

[mkscrewy]

+1 on the Susan Collins “I think he learned his lesson” bull crap we’re sure to hear when this settles down. By the end of the season this whole thing will be an asterisk in the almanac unless they start holding people accountable. 

[Samifan]

Has Aldrich’s name been removed from the Stanley Cup yet?

[OccamsRazor]

27 minutes ago, Samifan said:

Has Aldrich’s been removed from the Stanley Cup planet yet?

 

FIFY!

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by OccamsRazor
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[OccamsRazor]

And then Q doesn't even have the sack to speak to the media and say he didn't know anything about this because well it would be a straight lie.

 

 

Should take his name off the Cup too.

 

#forevertainted

 

 

 

[radoran]

I don't really see how Quenneville can be claiming to have had no knowledge of the situation when the report clearly states that he was in the meeting when this was told.

 

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/youve-lost-our-trust-hockey

 

Quote

The Jenner & Block investigation revealed that former Blackhawks team president John McDonough, hockey operations executive Al MacIsaac, former executive vice-president Jay Blunk, GM Bowman, then-head coach Joel Quenneville, and then-assistant GM Kevin Cheveldayoff were present at a meeting in which John Doe, now revealed as Beach, came forward with his allegations.

 

It's really sickening that the team decided to not only keep the Video Coach on staff, but made him a part of the festivities, gave him a "day with the Cup" and put his name on the Cup when they were concurrently apparently telling him he was going to have to resign or be fired.

 

The sooner XXXX XXXXXXX joins XXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX in infamy on the trophy, the better.

[Icechipper]

Q likely fall on his sword before Commissioner Bettman on Monday.

 

There's no running from this for him. Read report for yourself. He was Aldrich's immediate supervisor. Just the fact that an assistant coach is socializing and drinking with Black Aces (20 year olds) during a playoff run speaks volumes. Here's a coach screening porn when he should be assembling video for the team.

 

What really jumped off the page in the report were statements that the Chicago hockey club didn't even have a general legal counsel at the time. This organizational fail will be taught at universities in the areas of law, health and safety, corporate structure, human resources and public relations. You wonder if anyone even bothered to keep minutes of meetings at this level. They hid this from HR.

[OccamsRazor]

Just a bunch flat out liars...and he is suppose to the the Captain...and the other with an A on him.

 

Asked what he knew, and what he heard, Toews said he was unaware of the situation at the time.

 

“Listen, I mean, at the end of the day I don’t wish to exonerate myself from this situation in any way by saying that I didn’t know, but the truth is that I had not heard about it until training camp the next year,” Toews said post-game Wednesday. “At the end of the day, that doesn’t change what happened, it doesn’t take that away, it doesn’t make it go away. At the end of the day, collectively, as players, if guys did know, hindsight’s 20/20 — I think we wish we could’ve done something differently, myself included.

 

“My heart goes out to Kyle for what he dealt with, and I wish I could’ve done something. At the end of the day, it’s obviously not an excuse looking back, but the truth is a lot of us were focused on just playing hockey and doing what we were doing every single day. And if you do hear rumours, it’s almost just in the back of your mind. And now when you go through the detail of it all, it looks ugly, and it’s really hard to stomach the fact that you [didn't] dive into something like that a little bit more, and take it more seriously, on the spot. But, it’s always easy to say in hindsight.

 

“I feel a ton for what Kyle went through and what he’s dealing with at this point. I don’t know what else to say. I think the guys that were part of that group all wish they could’ve done something different."

 

“I didn’t know anything at the time,” Kane said. “Even [Wednesday], when Kyle came out as John Doe, that’s the first time I knew that it was him. And as far as the bullying and the different comments, I don’t remember any of that either. Listen, I think it was a terrible situation, and I obviously feel for him if things were getting thrown his way — you know, tough words, bullying, different things like that. I definitely feel for him if that stuff happened.”

 

 

Noting that he first heard of Beach’s story a year later, ahead of the 2010-11 season, Toews was asked if he felt compelled to take action when he did become aware of what had happened between Beach and video coach Brad Aldrich.

 

“I mean, no, not really,” he said. “I think, to be honest with you, and straightforward, I thought what I heard was the beginning and the end of it.

 

And not that it was a joke, but it was something that wasn’t taken super seriously at the time. I thought Brad being let go, or resigning from the organization, was the way that it was dealt with, and to me it was water under the bridge. Had I been more connected in any way to the situation, and known some of the more gory details of it, I’d like to say yeah, I would’ve acted differently in my role as captain, for sure.”

 

“He was drafted the year after me, and I remember just going out to eat with him a few times, hanging out with him and Akim Aliu as well. Us three seemed to be together a lot,” Kane said.

 

“[It's a] terrible situation, and very courageous for him to come out and let his name be known to the world after everything he went through. … Hearing that it was him, and with the news and everything going on, I obviously feel for him, compassionate for him and his family. And I wish back then we could’ve done some different things, or knew about some different things, that maybe we could’ve helped him.”

 

Says the two cowards forever now their names are tainted.

 

F**K THEM BOTH!!!!

Edited October 28, 2021 by OccamsRazor
this i hope ruins their legacy

[GratefulFlyers]

Aldrich was 27 and Beach was 20 when this happened, right? They're drinking together along with the rest of the Aces...and what does Beach say happened? Aldrich started JOing in front of him then gave him a BJ? Sorry but we're not talking about a 9-year old here. This is a big ol' boy who plays a violent sport for a living...and he's trying to convince us he couldn't possibly stop Aldrich? Or better yet smash his fkng mouth with the bat Beach says he was waving around.

 

I'm not saying Aldrich is blameless, bc I think I read he was involved with something like this before. But there's some pretty obvious questions that nobody is asking. I don't think it's "blaming the victim" if we simply ask why didn't you just leave? Why didn't you knock his teeth down his throat?

 

[radoran]

30 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

I'm not saying Aldrich is blameless, bc I think I read he was involved with something like this before. But there's some pretty obvious questions that nobody is asking.

 

From where I sit, there is no way that any of the events even leading up to the assault is acceptable conduct in a professional environment for an NHL coach to engage in with a bunch of 20 year olds who aren't legally allowed to drink. Even if it was "just a beer party" - and it was clearly not - these aren't the actions of a Coach that an NHL franchise should be condoning or allowing to happen in the first place.

 

Especially so when one of their star players has had such a public problem with underage drinking.

 

Nor does it absolve the team, coaches, and executives from the lack of action taken, much less including the coach in the celebrations and putting his name on the Cup.

 

Essentially, I don't feel the need to wait until a Coach assaults a player to say that screening porn and plying 20 year olds with drink isn't an acceptable thing for a member of my NHL organization's coaching staff to be engaged in.