ruxpin Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: The Yards beer they made with his name was damn tasty So that was the Yards beer that was tasty? In general, I haven't been a fan of theirs but willing to try more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrittyForever Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Howie58 said: Now another question comes into focus: Whither Coots? We weren't impressive at Center (anywhere for that matter). If he comes back (not sure) or is diminished, we are troubled down the middle. Frostie and Laughts... I don't think they move Coots. They need to reach the cap floor remember. They can't move every salary out. I suspect Coots gets a season to see if he can still play. After that who knows? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, TimKerrFan12 said: A 6th round pick AND paying half of his salary the next 3 years? Is that you Fletcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GrittyForever said: I don't think they move Coots. They need to reach the cap floor remember. They can't move every salary out. I suspect Coots gets a season to see if he can still play. After that who knows? I don't think so either. But we may be stuck in an LTIR limbo. Or we have someone paid big bucks for diminished returns. Trading Hayes made me think about the Coots gig. With Cam--the contract ends in two years. With Coots, it is 2029-2030. Yikes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, CoachX said: Danny B's hands were tied by the Three Flyer Stooges..Holmgren, Scott and Chuckles. He got what he could. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: TDA will get done on July 9th due to the 12 month rule and Sanheim and Laughton should be gone soon maybe at the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, ruxpin said: So that was the Yards beer that was tasty? In general, I haven't been a fan of theirs but willing to try more. I like the Brawler too. My go to these days are Wally beer and South County Really tasty beers and drinks without the craft brewed headaches. Our Beers - South County Brewing Co. Our Award Winning Beers - Wallenpaupack Brewing Co 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, FD19372 said: Danny B's hands were tied by the Three Flyer Stooges..Holmgren, Scott and Chuckles. He got what he could. I agree 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CoachX Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) Since the rumors of Briere's ascension first started, I have been extremely critical and vocal that it would be a failure. More of the "same 'ol", so to speak. I will openly admit that it appears he is up to the task and not a Holmgren mini-me. And, I'm happy to say so Hope he keeps it up. It's exciting Edited June 27, 2023 by CoachX 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, CoachX said: And, I'm happy to say so Forwards are shaping up i like so far. I think Laughton finally gets moved for that 3rd 1st for the draft...if not a 2nd not sure of his true value. Make room for Desnoyers for a LW spot. Brink will need room too soon. I'm excited for the change. Welcome to see what else happens. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Forwards are shaping up i like so far. I think Laughton finally gets moved for that 3rd 1st for the draft...if not a 2nd not sure of his true value. Make room for Desnoyers for a LW spot. Brink will need room too soon. I'm excited for the change. Welcome to see what else happens. I think Allison is a goner as well. He simply can't keep healthy. You fart in his general direction and he's on the injured list. I think Foerster takes his spot on the third line and possibly Brink ends up on the fourth. You could probably or Desnoyers on that 4th line as well and just use Deslauriers as the extra forward. That fourth line could really surprise people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 I'm not gonna judge, IF Danny can take on a bad contract for an early 2nd with the cap space saved, its a nice win. Advertising that Torts does not like Hayes and didn't want him back put Danny in a no leverage situation. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, jammer2 said: I'm not gonna judge, IF Danny can take on a bad contract for an early 2nd with the cap space saved, its a nice win. Advertising that Torts does not like Hayes and didn't want him back put Danny in a no leverage situation. That may have been the point, or purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, CoachX said: That may have been the point, or purpose Great year to sneak back into the 2nd!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 hours ago, JR Ewing said: I think the rookie GM got taken to the woodshed on this one. With the comparison of Johansen, I'm not sure I agree with you here. Hayes' "contributions" on a terrible team notwithstanding, he had/s no place on the Flyers in their current state. Don't "all star" me or talk about how he STILL has yet to put 20 goals and 50 points in the same season. Not having the distraction around the team they are trying to build is a win. Getting younger, more talented, and with better long term prospects are the result of this deal. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Is it true? is he really gone? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 May the Deflecthtion continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, radoran said: With the comparison of Johansen, I'm not sure I agree with you here. Hayes' "contributions" on a terrible team notwithstanding, he had/s no place on the Flyers in their current state. Don't "all star" me or talk about how he STILL has yet to put 20 goals and 50 points in the same season. Not having the distraction around the team they are trying to build is a win. Getting younger, more talented, and with better long term prospects are the result of this deal. Yes, all the other crap put aside, it gives a young developing player top 6 minutes with quality players. Players like Frost, Cates and Allison could see marked improvement from this shuffle. That is often overlooked when evaluating a trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 hours ago, JR Ewing said: Last year, when Kevin Hayes was sitting on the bench, the Flyers scored 43% of the goals, and when he was on the ice they scored 49% of the goals. Unless he demanded a trade, I really don't understand this. I'll go further than that and say, that unless Hayes requested a trade, I think this a really dumb deal. Yes, Hayes' contract was for too much and too long (and I said so the day it was signed) but somebody has to play those minutes, and if that replacement comes in at $3.5M, you're spending just as much as you were for Hayes. You have to hope he can saw off the competition and, at that price point, they may well not do it. I think the rookie GM got taken to the woodshed on this one good post. i see your POV, I disagree with your last statement. Hayes wanted out. The coach wanted him gone. The situation had to be resolved. Briere was forced to make a move. On any solidly bulit playoff team, Hayes is 3C at best. The only place he was going to have the season he did,was with the Flyers. Tue contract has been discussed. We don't need to rehash that. But keeping Hayes was going to block another player who may be part of the rebuild from getting ice. And since this is a true rebuild, you can't keep a guy who isnt part of that. I am sure DB made all the calls he could, and the best he could get was the 6th and retention. I doubt there was a scenario where someone else offered a fifth and less retention, only to have DB say no thanks. I'm sure he did his diligence and got what he could. At that was the market value of this player. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, jammer2 said: Yes, all the other crap put aside, it gives a young developing player top 6 minutes with quality players. Players like Frost, Cates and Allison could see marked improvement from this shuffle. That is often overlooked when evaluating a trade. It's going to be interesting to see who else gets brought in. I still think Allison and Laczynski will be given walking papers, Laughton will probably get dealt and with Hayes gone, that's two left wingers, a right winger and a center that will need to be filled. And yes, I fully expect Briere hours dumpster diving to fill those roles. The days of high end free agent signings are gone. It's about development now and that's all what I care about for the next two to three seasons. Can some of the guys take the next step in their NHL careers? Can some of the guys make the jump from the AHL to the NHL? Most important - can Carter Hart get his mental game together and just play consistently from one game to the next? Far too often, he had meltdowns in that he's too hard on himself when he lets in a bad goal and he just can't let things go and it negatively affects his play for several games. He has to learn to let **** go and just relax and play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 38 minutes ago, radoran said: With the comparison of Johansen, I'm not sure I agree with you here. Hayes' "contributions" on a terrible team notwithstanding, he had/s no place on the Flyers in their current state. Don't "all star" me or talk about how he STILL has yet to put 20 goals and 50 points in the same season. Not having the distraction around the team they are trying to build is a win. Getting younger, more talented, and with better long term prospects are the result of this deal. I dunno... In my time here, there's just always that player whom many of you are convinced *has* to go, and *then* the Flyers will improve. That player is finally dealt at cost (cap, buyout, etc) and all that it's been is a steady bleeding of talent with less coming back than went out, and not a lot of thought given to who will play those minutes and if they'll be played effectively. It's not that I'm opposed to trading Hayes (or any player for that matter) and I don't think it's a disaster for the club. I think that if they were so bound and determined to trade him just so he could be gone, then they should have waited until the deadline, because GMs are always willing to part with higher value picks then (as opposed to the day before the draft) and/or the retention would have been lower. I can't help but feel, btw, that if the shoe were on the other foot, and the Flyers were bringing in a decent #2 centre for $3.5M (with half of his salary retained) in exchange for a 6th, any talk of him being a distraction would be brushed aside pretty casually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, CoachX said: good post. i see your POV, I disagree with your last statement. Hayes wanted out. The coach wanted him gone. The situation had to be resolved. Briere was forced to make a move. On any solidly bulit playoff team, Hayes is 3C at best. The only place he was going to have the season he did,was with the Flyers. Tue contract has been discussed. We don't need to rehash that. But keeping Hayes was going to block another player who may be part of the rebuild from getting ice. And since this is a true rebuild, you can't keep a guy who isnt part of that. I am sure DB made all the calls he could, and the best he could get was the 6th and retention. I doubt there was a scenario where someone else offered a fifth and less retention, only to have DB say no thanks. I'm sure he did his diligence and got what he could. At that was the market value of this player. I think my "woodshed" comment was hyperbolic; and I went over the edge in making my point. This won't be the ruin of the Flyers, but I don't see it as a strong trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, JR Ewing said: I think my "woodshed" comment was hyperbolic; and I went over the edge in making my point. This won't be the ruin of the Flyers, but I don't see it as a strong trade. It's not a "strong" trade, cause there's barely more than nothing coming back. But if you want to build a winning attitude on a team, you can't have slow, lazy as f*** clowns making $7 million a year on your roster. He had to go. From the day he was signed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 hours ago, mojo1917 said: I like the Brawler too. My go to these days are Wally beer and South County Really tasty beers and drinks without the craft brewed headaches. Our Beers - South County Brewing Co. Our Award Winning Beers - Wallenpaupack Brewing Co Not Bud Light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, RonJeremy said: Not Bud Light? He said "beer"...not sorta kinda beer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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