brelic Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I thought this was interesting from Meltzer: Gagner, who tallied the Flyers' second goal, was originally slated to be a healthy scratch. Brayden Schenn took part in the morning skate but, perhaps still feeling the effects of a heavy hit away from the puck by Dallas Stars forward Antoine Roussel, sat out Wednesday's game with what was was deemed by the Flyers to be an upper-body injury. At this point, I would scratch others before Gagner. Am I the only one who sees it that way? Gagner makes smart offensive plays and provides a spark to that line with Laughton and Schenn/Umberger. And for all the talk of his defensive lapses, I have found him to actually hustle back and want to help out. Maybe it's just a matter of too many bodies, not enough spots?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I thought this was interesting from Meltzer: At this point, I would scratch others before Gagner. Am I the only one who sees it that way? Gagner makes smart offensive plays and provides a spark to that line with Laughton and Schenn/Umberger. And for all the talk of his defensive lapses, I have found him to actually hustle back and want to help out. Maybe it's just a matter of too many bodies, not enough spots?? Agree. For not having played in half the games, he's producing as much as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Gagner has earned top 6 minutes. He has a hell of a shot and is not afraid to shoot coming down the wing. His goal last night was a snipe. I would even argue he deserves a look on G's line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off_the_post Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 What I like about the goal (and I think his other one too) is that they came from shots where they just flat out beat the goalie. I remember Read having that kind of release at one time. I might be reading too much into Gagner's goals but it would appear he is perhaps a shooting threat which I've felt the Flyers have been missing for a long time. Either way I've seen enough that his play continues to interest me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Gagner has earned top 6 minutes. He has a hell of a shot and is not afraid to shoot coming down the wing. His goal last night was a snipe. I would even argue he deserves a look on G's line. I would so put him on G's line. Raffl hasn't really been the problem on that line, but he also doesn't belong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I would so put him on G's line. Raffl hasn't really been the problem on that line, but he also doesn't belong there. Yup. This might be your most intelligent post ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I've liked Gagner and would like to see more of him. Both to help the Flyers but also to increase trade value if it's looking unlikely to re-sign the UFA. Honestly I don't know why Hackstol seems so committed to the 4th line as it is. I'd rather have Umburglar in the lineup over Vandevelde, for example. Not sure if this is just a Sioux/Beavers Sioux/Ducks situation. I would so put him on G's line. The GeeVeeGee's! Yup. This might be your most intelligent post ever. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I thought this was interesting from Meltzer: At this point, I would scratch others before Gagner. Am I the only one who sees it that way? Gagner makes smart offensive plays and provides a spark to that line with Laughton and Schenn/Umberger. And for all the talk of his defensive lapses, I have found him to actually hustle back and want to help out. Maybe it's just a matter of too many bodies, not enough spots??Yes i agree. I posted this last night in one of these threads. I said i'd scratch Vandevelde...RJ has looked good too since coming back so someone has to sit when Brayden is ready let it be CVV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yup. This might be your most intelligent post ever. I always knew I could be somebody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I always knew I could be somebody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 @radoran Somehow I knew that was coming and was pretty sure it would be from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I said when they added Gagner that the best analogy I could come up with is Schenn-lite. Still applies. 3rd line player on a good team is his best role. He could play for me any day but would have to be used right. Rather he than Vinnie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I'm hoping that he has a nice enough season that we can ship him out by the deadline for a nice return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I'm hoping that he has a nice enough season that we can ship him out by the deadline for a nice return Well, If he's having a decent season, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing if you can't get him on a 2 year extension before the deadline. If he signs for a low number, keep him around. He's still fairly young, and why trade a young guy who's producing if you can keep him? However, if he's holding out to hit as an UFA, then yeah, you move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Gagner should be kept, provided he plays like this all year. The Flyers need secondary scoring and Gagner's providing that. The fact that people want him moved at the trade deadline just leaves me scratching my head because there's nobody in the lineup or on the farm right now that can replace his offense. Gagner has found a fit, has made the most of his opportunities so far and has been pretty decent here. The fact he's scoring in Hakstol's defensive system is a plus. Nope, for me, Gagner stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Gagner should be kept, provided he plays like this all year. The Flyers need secondary scoring and Gagner's providing that. The fact that people want him moved at the trade deadline just leaves me scratching my head because there's nobody in the lineup or on the farm right now that can replace his offense. Gagner has found a fit, has made the most of his opportunities so far and has been pretty decent here. The fact he's scoring in Hakstol's defensive system is a plus. Nope, for me, Gagner stays.In a perfect non Cap world I keep him, too.If he wants a significant upgrade in salary, I think you need to consider alternatives. He is a UFA so there are serious considerations to be made.A lot will have to do with what he wanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Well, If he's having a decent season, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing if you can't get him on a 2 year extension before the deadline. If he signs for a low number, keep him around. He's still fairly young, and why trade a young guy who's producing if you can keep him? However, if he's holding out to hit as an UFA, then yeah, you move him. He's a UFA, so IMO as long as we get a good offer, I'd ship him out. Much like the Flyers should have done with Schultz, he's a dime-a-dozen player that a team may be willing to overpay for at the deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Gagner has earned top 6 minutes. He has a hell of a shot and is not afraid to shoot coming down the wing. His goal last night was a snipe. I would even argue he deserves a look on G's line.At the very least he should be in the lineup every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 At the very least he should be in the lineup every night. Exactly. And I think Umberger can fill Vandevelde's role on the 4th and PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Exactly. And I think Umberger can fill Vandevelde's role on the 4th and PK.I don't know though. Umberger has looked pretty good when he's been in. Does he have points in every game he's played? Close to it. Of course so did VLC before chief took over. Can't think of the 4th line in terms of a demotion. They have a different role. If Schenn's ready, I really don't know who I'd sit. But I don't thinkni'd play Schenn at Center just to get them all in the lineup. I used you're right. Umberger might be more suited to the 4th line than anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 The fact that we need secondary and 5 on 5 scoring is obvious, we need that. We're getting that, how about we keep that....ya know for awhile?!I think putting Gagner on G's line would invigorate Jake as well, and Laughton's hustle and determination would invigorate Raffle's scoring productivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 i am all for having Umberger and Gagner in the lineup at the same time.Umberger has been good when he's played. Gagner has a wicked release, and a mentality that is lacking with some of our other forwards...If we can see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 For whatever faults Gagner has in his game, he's more than making up for them with putting the puck in the back of the net and creating scoring opportunities. You give a guy like that some slack. He's outscoring our $8m man Voracek... he deserves a longer look at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 He's outscoring our $8m man Voracek... In fairness, Jake's just a $4.25M man this season. His $8.25M contract starts next season. And I agree with you on Gagner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I said when they added Gagner that the best analogy I could come up with is Schenn-lite. Still applies. 3rd line player on a good team is his best role. He could play for me any day but would have to be used right.Rather he than Vinnie. Yeah. There's things that Sam Gagner can do, and there's things that you will be extremely frustrated about if you try to force things. If you put him in a position to play some low-leverage minutes against softer comp, you can walk away pretty happy, but if you hard match him against big strong offensive lines, you may not be so thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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